Obama’s Climate Change Speech Unveil Caps Carbon Emissions, Climate Change Policy

Ask for a raise now, if you even have a job. Your electric bill is about to go up.....WAY UP!

The economy is still just sputtering along with precious few good jobs being created. Although you can still find low paying, no benefits part time jobs. Which if you don't mind working 20 hours a day, you might still be able to pay your bills.

Obama Economic Stew

1 Part higher energy costs
1 Part more Government regulation restricting growth

Mix thoroughly then fold in:

2 Parts Amnesty for uneducated, unskilled Illegal Aliens

Who will now compete for the part time jobs available and you get a thoroughly indigestible economic stew for citizens.

Obama said in the speech at Georgetown University he want 20% of our energy to come from renewables sources. Really?

Sierra Club, NRDC Sue Feds To Stop Big California Solar Power Project

Maybe the IRS shouldn't have been targeting Conservative groups that would simply be vocal in opposition and targeted Enviro Wacko groups instead, they sue to stop Obama's agenda. Geez, the Obama administration can't even get their enemies straight.

 

And don't worry the $2 billion he has earmarked for climate change "research" wont effect the integrity of climate scientists in any way. You cant go below 0.

 

And not a moment too soon:

Ace comments:

I think they are a bunch of busted out frauds today. Only 2% have any sort of fit? That's epic fail. That's proof this can't be modeled and it can't be analysed on any sane cost/benefit basis.

That won't stop the statist thieves of liberty. They need no plausible excuse to rob you of your future.

 

Anything to change the subject. Right, Mr. President?

Btw...how do you plan to get Russia and China's cooperation?

 

Stick his face out and let Putin and Xi Jinping do the Three stooges eye poke?

 

Though I am certainly pleased his holiness has deigned to talk about this issue, it is far too little, and a decade too late. I see this akin to pissing on a bonfire.....looks like you are trying but you know damn well it is ineffective.

It is simply too late folks...the game was over a while ago, highlights at 11.

 

Trying to revive the old Al Gore scam I see. Shame on America if we fall for this BS.

 

The President is using one of the worst possible ways of combatting carbon dioxide emissions. All that is necessary is a simple carbon emissions tax, nothing more, nothing less. If you throw in the elimination of the corporate income tax, income tax, and all other taxes currently under the IRS tax code, and replace them with a general transactions tax and a financial transaction tax, you create a business environment where corporations, medium-sized businesses, and small businesses alike can easily internalize and eventually combat the costs of carbon dioxide emissions through sustainable development initiatives and/or restructuring of their supply chains and production processes. Sadly the President does not want to reconcile the need for comprehensive tax reform, economic stimulus, and combatting global warming/climate change, and therefore will be creating a business environment where businesses fight the internalization of this negative externality by simply passing on the costs to the consumer, making cuts to labor wages, or laying off workers.

 

Taxation is NEVER a solution. If you really want to combat carbon dioxide emissions, STOP CLEAR CUTTING FOREST THE SIZE OF ENGLAND, SCOTLAND AND WHALES EVERY YEAR!!!!!. Forests are necessary carbon sinks, cut it down and CO2 levels go up! No amount of taxation is going to fix that.

 

Where does the IRS send the bill to the Sun, Volcanoes and Bodies of water that actually produce 99.99% of all CO2 emissions?

 

You know I wholeheartedly agree with REDD efforts, but that does not mean I discount GHG emissions from industry and power generation, which are the first and second-biggest GHG contributors, whereas GHG emissions from the forestry industry is the third-biggest contributor. In the USA, however, the biggest contributors of GHG emissions are from power generation, transportation, and industry. A carbon dioxide emissions tax is among the best ways of internalizing the costs of carbon dioxide emissions from industry and power generation without passing it onto consumers, forcing labor wage increases, or laying off workers. It is also easily incentivized to work with the elimination of all existing local, state, and federal taxes, and replacing them with a general transactions tax and a financial transaction tax, both of which can generate enough revenue to meet local, state, and federal expenditures while alleviating the tax burden on individuals and businesses by at least 50 percent.

 

You should know. I assume that if you adhere to the theory that global C02 emissions are almost entirely from natural forcing, that you have the wherewithal to actually devise a plan to have the IRS send the tax bill to the above mentioned entities.

 

The proposal itself seems almost worthless with little or no thought in it. Basically Obama has lost ground with his base after the NSA leak and he is throwing the radicals a bone.

 

No. I just think it's silly to suggest that the 0.001% of carbon emissions from man has any impact on the environment.

 

You are talking to the wrong people, we in the U.S. have already reduced our CO2 emissions. Along with Germany we are the ONLY ones, you must TAX the polluters, not the reducers.

The EU except for Germany and Australia need to get with the program and get busy reducing you own CO2 production. The United States and Germany are the only 2 countries to reduce their emissions. Maybe ya'all need to start paying us for our reductions, and go after china for their increases.

 

and if the entire world cuts carbon emissions to ZERO by 2050 by 2100 it will affect temps by .1C, by 2200 it will effect them .5 C. Now that is assuming this chart is correct of course.








Even the IPCC is beginning to have doubts on the models and CO2's effects

of course the real reason for Obama's little announcement today is a little more simple ...money

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-...s-back-obama-as-campaign-donations-trail.html

 

I have never heard of a climate scientist saying definitively that a reduction of CO2 emissions can significantly reverse global temperature trends. What most climate scientists say is that the current upward trend in global temperatures can be stopped through significant reductions in C02 emissions. Furthermore, climate science is ongoing. I suspect that natural forcing has a greater impact on global temperature anomalies than previously thought, and that the Earth's oceans are storing C02 in such a manner that they can be considered a pretty resilient carbon sink. I expect both of these factors to become better integrated into climate models over time. My position on combatting global warming/climate change, however, remains the same.

With that being said, I am not a supporter of the Obama Administration. I constantly call for the President's impeachment, and bash him every chance I can get. I actually consider the President an enemy of the environmental movement. He is in the back pocket of global corporations that: 1. want to profit off his duplicity in energy policy, and 2. want to profit off of his environmental initiatives. The first imperative of environmental policy is to achieve ecological improvement first, and maximum economic benefit for all second. Barack Obama does neither, and henceforth, is not a friend of the environmental movement in my eyes.

 

and I refer you to part 2 of my post

http://www.spiegel.de/international/...-a-906721.html

as far as combating climate change



Let all men know how empty and worthless is the power of kings. For there is none worthy of the name but God, whom heaven, earth and sea obey".

So spoke King Canute the Great, the legend says, seated on his throne on the seashore, waves lapping round his feet. Canute had learned that his flattering courtiers claimed he was "So great, he could command the tides of the sea to go back". Now Canute was not only a religious man, but also a clever politician. He knew his limitations - even if his courtiers did not - so he had his throne carried to the seashore and sat on it as the tide came in, commanding the waves to advance no further. When they didn't, he had made his point that, though the deeds of kings might appear 'great' in the minds of men, they were as nothing in the face of God's power.

 

I think he's declaring this WAR on coal now for one reason: to change the subject. Problem for him and Democrats, though. There are plenty of Red state (coal state) Democrats....and the prez is leaving them in the dust. IF those Democrats dare defend and support this president for his war on their industry.....then they are going down in their next elections.

In the meantime, the president's polls continue to slide: only 31% of Independents now approve of him. 43% of the country approve of him. He gets weaker and weaker and looks desperate.

 

If I can read the actual article, I would provide a substantive response to your post.

 

link in post 16 works

http://www.spiegel.de/international...lems-with-climate-change-models-a-906721.html

as does this one

 

Mitch McConnell is a shoe in now. Bushe was double digits ahead of Sanford 2 weeks before the special election in SC a couple of months ago, Sanford tied her to Pelosi and Obama the last two weeks and trounced Bushe. This aint gonna help Landrieu either

 

I already responded to the information in the article. I do not disagree with the climate scientist's assessment. It is definitely possible that natural forcing has more of an effect than we thought, and new climate models from reputable sources are coming out everyday reinforce this trend. I expect the IPCC in its fifth assessment report to adjust its models to fit this trend. That still does not mean the completely contrived assertion that global warming/climate change is largely caused by natural forcing and only minimal anthropogenic forcing is true. It just means that values for natural forcing will be revised up.

 

They are looking for the nod to rape your wallet.

 

I agree. The President is incompetent.