Since nearly 100 Years, the Turkish government is denying the Armenian Genocide. Even when there already were many international attemps for a change of the relations between Turkey and Armenia (closed boarders and no diplomatic relations), the Armenian Question, as well as the Karabakh war between Armenia and Azerbaidjan, always interrupt it. In 2 words: The Genocide is a political/historical problem and the big armenian diaspora is against every step of the armenian government, which is against the recognition of the genocide. On the other side: Turkey always said, the reason for no normal relations is the Karabakh problem, which is actually NOT a turkish problem. So what do you think? Are those problems enough to close borders and have no relations? Does those countries want normal relations at all?
Hello Economist, welcome to the forum. I felt it necessary to relocate your thread to a more appropriate forum/room. Tough call as to the final location, as we do not currently have an Eurasian room. Sorry. Regardless, welcome and enjoy your stay. I look forward to your postings.
The Muslim Turkish government and the Muslim Palestinians have something in common.... Turkey is trying to hide the Armenian Genocide , Palestinians are trying to hide their real and ONLY Nakba from Kuwait in 1992.. Both youth do not learn their true past in schools...
Hello , Before you all rage please just read. I'm a Turkish boy not racist, support the free minds and certain philosophys. For a guy my age 16 i have searched science, history , the lies between the lines of the world and i have seen the truth i can see. One of the basics i saw is the Armenian (said to be ) Genocide. Now ofcourse the children of Armenia says we will never forget this genocide ... The Turkish Children says there is no genocide. Now let me explain berifely its just a small disgussion and believe me its not between Turkey and Armenia. Got you confused didnt i ? But its true. In WW1 The Ottaman Sultan and the Crown Padisah Vahdettin agreed on being with the Germans with nothing to support with ... Our guns were weak some of them didnt even worked they just stayed in stocks to be counted . Ottaman Empire couldnt had the brightest years like id did back in Suleyman's years. Anyway the War ended . Germany had issues but the most interesting thing is Ottoman Empire had the most problems then Germany . This doesnt even make sense Germany has more role than the Ottaman Empire but Ottoman Empire gets the biggest punishment the imperialist forces of Great British ( U.K ) Is always looking for cheap oil to support oil companies such as BP in those years it had a different name that i cant quite remember . You know that Turks have been in Anatolia for centuries came and had many empires and one of the longest lived empire is the Ottomans , lots of imperialist and capitalist forces wanted Anatolia's good lands because Anatolia is a land that you can find valuable sources such as boron and it has a low rate of oil ( better than nothing ) and it has great lands of farming. So basically its heaven if you know how to rule it ! Lets go a little further in time as you know there's a terrorist group known as PKK they call their selves Kurds as another race. This has no different then ASALA an Armenian terrorist group back in those years. Now Kurds and Armenians didnt actually had a land they were living inside the kingdoms in peace. Kurds have a different history filled with blanks they say they came from the lands of India some of them deny and say other places but how did they came all the way to Anatolia if they didnt had a land and an army to protect them ? Well this is the part where Turks came in when Turks were migrating from Asia lands they had Kurds came with them and they didnt had fights they just lived in peace over thousands of years because Turks didnt did genocide to them and any other nation. Now you will say what does it have to do with Armenians ? It has a lot . Actually its fimiliar. Like i said earlier , lots of capitalist and imperialist forces wanted Anatolia's goods as a modern slave nation. So they did devious plans on Anatolia all the secret files secret investigations including the U.S.A forces. Because when there's energy and money involved U.S just barges right in , eventually they accomplished one plan they wanted. French had the biggest role in it. French Goverment triggered some Armenian's to get independence but that didnt actually work during WW1. Until the Ottoman Force's made Armenian's leave the lands of Anatolia. Now the pictures Armenians show as the genocide is likely in a desert area. Now the Ottoman Forces had pictures too. They have pictures of Ottoman Soldiers leading Armenian's safely out of the lands of Anatolia if you see the agreements the people who have high othority in Ottoman Empire has signed it. Those documents clearly state that they gave an order to Ottoman Soldiers to get Armenian's in a safe place to escape from the war because all forces were heading on Anatolia ( Çanakkale , İzmir , The Eastern Side of Anatolia ( Iğdır ) ) Also there are some documents of Ottoman Politicans saying that Armenians are loyal and friends of the Turkish nations they are a culture living in theese lands . So we had no problems at all ! We lived in peace even in WW1 all of us Turk's Kurd's Armenian's all of us defended our lands against them some of them decided to betray the country and those are people who say that there is a genocide . Now you will say why will Armenian's and Kurd's defend the land together with Turk's ; because they are/were loyal to the land because we didnt treated them bad all those years. Lets go back to the Ottoman Soldiers leading them out side the lines. This was for their safety but there were some other reasons,French Goverment poking some Armenian's to RIOT. They burned some Turks in Mosque's didnt even think if they were child, old and women. Burned them all with a spark. So the Ottoman's had to give their people safety and them safety so they sended them there with protection now the picture that Armenian's give has no soldiers. Yes , because at some point those soldiers were given the order to come back when they leave them in a secure place. Unfortunetly it wasnt really safe and now the Armenian's make it look like it is the genocide. Samething is happening in PKK ( Kurds ) they are trying to seperate the lands of Anatolia again with a dictator president called Tayyip Erdogan who doesnt even defends his country thats why there are riots happening in Turkey right now. Against Dictatored Goverment and against people who attack to Turkey ! Again Other nations have prints in theese events but i should give them their points they really made all the world believe they actually had suffered a genocide . I dont remember the exact number lets say Armenians gave a number of people slaughtered like 2 million but according to our documents and some Professors of History there werent even that much Armenian's leaving the borders. So how can Armenia got slaughtered by 2 million if they didnt even had 2 million people leaving the borders. Another fact if we're talking about genocides you can see that it is a lie. Check Algerians and the French, French slaughtered millions of Algerian's and no one does anything to them because why they give fake documents they say this number wont be a genocide , capitalist powers strikes again for their benefits ! Completely blind the Algerian Genocide and focus on a genocide that didnt even happened called the Armenian Genocide . Another fact everyday lots of Palestanian people die because of the forces of Israel and has been lots of years didnt it ? But that doesnt counts as a genocide ! Nooo because capitalist strikes again ! Take a look at China's West there are Turks getting slaughtered called Uigur Turks no one says a thing ! Check Afganishtan all those years lots of people have died and suffered by the name of Spetsnaz (Russian forces ) by the name of NATO ( A union of nations which believe they can bring peace but actually brings war ) SO IF YOU'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT GENOCIDE TALK IT WITH PROOVES TALK IT WITH PROFESSORS TALK IT WITH FACTS AND SEE OTHER NATIONS GETTING SLAUGHTERED THEN CALL IT A GENOCIDE.
Arnold Toynbee was commissioned to prepare the Blue Book or "The Treatment of Armenians in the Ottoman Empire, 1915-1916", which remains the foremost authority of the controversial subject. Toynbee carefully compiled and verified dozens of eyewitness accounts from different parts of the Ottoman Empire and he recorded that more than 1,000,000 were deported from the Ottoman Empire and only 500,000 of those deportees survived. But a Turkish academic claimed that 438,000 ethnic Armenians were deported and there were 382,000 survivors. It's plausible that there were some elements of British wartime propaganda against the Central Powers and the British Empire was engaging in the Gallipoli Campaign in the same period when the Ottoman Parliament passed the deportation law in 1915. Toynbee's death toll estimates may not be entirely accurate and he only relied on eyewitnesses living inside the Ottoman Empire and it may have been impossible for those eyewitnesses to come up with accurate numbers based on local reports. Stalin deported about 387,000 Chechens and 91,000 Ingush in 1944 from western regions of the USSR to Central Asia and the Armenian Genocide is comparable to Stalin's deportation policies.
Why i find it hard to believe you are 16 years ago .... When you added the palestinians . i knew something smells bad... Give us a break. stick to the subject and do not add other lies regarding palestinians or algerians.
