British child death rates are 'a major crisis', says paediatricians' leader

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  1. Professor Peabody

    Professor Peabody Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Welcome to your Obama Care future! Make sure you have a big fat life insurance policy out on your kids. Hey, $10 million will ease the suffering when the Medical community off's your child won't it? The possibilities are endless. Fancy cars, lavish homes, it's all within your grasp as long as you don't get too attached to the rug rat.

    Do you think our Government run health care will perform as well as Sweden? I doubt it will perform even as well as the UK's. So remember the Professor's advice. Don't get too emotionally attached to your kids and make sure you're paying theat life insurance premium.
     
  2. stig42

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    so hows are pre Obama care rate of child death stack up to theirs?
     
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    De ja vu! Yet again, what does this have to do with "Obamacare"? Do you think the US should also follow the principal of "centralisation of hospital services to reduce preventable deaths"? Is that incompatible with (or indeed in any way related to) "Obamacare"? It might even help the US with it's own problems with shortages of qualified medical professionals (which with your interest in US healthcare I'm sure you're already aware of).

    You could well be right, though I obviously hope not. It will remain entirely different to either Swedish or British healthcare though.
     
  4. happy fun dude

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    This is a fallacy... If your neighbor can't solve a rubix cube that doesn't prove that you can't. But then again, there is no government run universal health care in the USA, and nothing close. Obamacare is quite the opposite. It further cements the role of the profiteering corporate middlemen that gouge up the price of health care for corporate profits.

    Also more kids might die, sure, but that's because they actually get to go to the hospital, so their death can be attributed to the hospital.

    In the USA, many kids don't even get to the hospital in the first place, so their death wouldn't even affect the corresponding statistic.

    Imagine what it would be like in some African countries. You could argue they are way better because they have zero kids that die after visiting a hospital!
     
  5. Colonel K

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    What you see here in Britain is politicking for increased funding in a time of harsh cuts..The present government is trying to break up the NHS into a privatised "Obamacare" insurance funded system. The OP has no clue.
     
  6. TomFitz

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    No, he has no clue at all.

    This is a little game he plays. He's either copying and pasting these Guardian pieces that are being reposted on some right wing blog here in the United States, or he saw one once and has a Google alert set for them (the former is more likely).

    The he surrounds it with made up claims about the US health care system being taken over by the government. Of course, that's not true at all. But the voices on his talk radio shows keep telling him that anyway.

    The facts don't matter to people like this at all. They've already decided what they're going to believe, and they gravitate to people who make their living pandering to their ignorance.
     
  7. Karma Mechanic

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    Life expectancy is higher in the United Kingdom than in the United States. Japan with the highest life expectancy has government supported health care. What is your point?
     
  8. dujac

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    here's a link to the mortality rates of all the counties: list of countries by infant mortality rate

    just a quick glance shows that sweden, u.k., france, ireland, portugal, italy, greece, germany & etc

    all do a better job than the united states



    High UK child death rates unfairly blamed on GPs

    7 April, 2013

    “Almost 2,000 British children a year die from ‘avoidable’ causes because family doctors lack training in paediatric care,” The Independent alarmingly claims.

    The story comes from a review of health services for children across 15 countries in the European Union. It found that while child survival rates have improved greatly in the past 30 years, many countries are not keeping pace with changing patterns in child health.

    Increasingly, non-infectious chronic disorders such as asthma have become causes of disability and death, as have accidental causes such as poisoning and injury.

    The review found that the UK is second-to-last in the ‘league table’, with nearly 2,000 more child deaths each year than Sweden, which had the lowest death rates.

    The authors of the review point out that in the UK, the first point of contact for families – the GP – often receives no specific training in child health beyond undergraduate degree level. It goes on to argue that UK services should be reorganised so that they are able to respond to children’s health needs more successfully…

    [click link below for full article]

    Conclusion

    This is an important paper that has found large variations in both child mortality rates and the delivery of health services to meet children’s needs within the initial 15 countries of the EU.

    As the authors say, child health has improved over the last 30 years but the healthcare needs of children are changing. It is important that policies, systems and practices are developed that can face this challenge and that countries learn from each other.

    This does not mean, as The Independent’s headline suggests, that Britain’s GPs do not have enough training to give children the medical care they need.

    http://www.nursingtimes.net/home/behind-the-headlines/high-uk-child-death-rates-unfairly-blamed-on-gps/5057094.article
     
  9. WalterSobchak

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    Another fail thread by PP regarding Obamacare. I honestly don't think PP has any clue what Obamacare is quite frankly.

    To say it is National Government Healthcare is a joke.
     
  10. lizarddust

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    I've been doing a little scouting around since reading the OP.

    The US has a higher infant mortality rate than most developed countries.

    Singapore on top with 1.92 deaths per 1000 live births.
    Germany 12th 3.71 deaths per 1000 live births.
    Australia 19th with 4.66 deaths per 1000 live births.
    UK 25th with 4.91 deaths per 1000 live births.
    Drum roll,, USA 34th with 6.81 deaths per 1000 live births.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_infant_mortality_rate

    The US sits second in child medical maltreatment deaths at 2.2 deaths per 100,000 children (same as Mexico), New Zealand third with 1.2 deaths per 100,000 children. The UK sits equal 20th with 0.4 deaths per 100,000 children. Denmark, Australia, Canada, Finland equal 7th with 0.7 deaths per 100,000 children.

    Notice something? Countries lower on the list than America have some kind of universal healthcare.

    http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/hea_chi_mal_dea-health-child-maltreatment-deaths


    Here is another interesting statistic, hospital beds per 1000 people.

    Monaco at the top with 19.57 beds per 1000 people.
    Japan 14.3 beds per 1000 people.
    Germany 8.9 beds per 1000 people.
    Australia with a paltry 7.4 beds per 1000 people.
    UK with 4.2 beds per 1000 people.
    But wait for it, USA with 3.3 beds per 1000 people.

    http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/hea_hos_bed_per_1000_peo-beds-per-1-000-people

    I wont go into life expectancy. The statistics are down right embarrassing.
     
  11. fiddlerdave

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    The paid shills who oppose Obamacare neither know what Obamacare is nor do they care.

    Where their current meme of "your children will die" comes from is a total puzzle, but nothing is more fact-free than Obama-hating Right Wing posts like this.
     
  12. Professor Peabody

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    It's just a step in that direction, quit pretending it's not. We both aren't naive enough to believe it's not the ultimate goal.

    - - - Updated - - -

    Dave please don't ever stop posting on my threads. Funny, funny stuff.
     
  13. f_socialism

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    Neither did any of the politicians who voted for it. It seems you think that you do though. I'm guessing you know nothing, but I'll certainly give you the opportunity to prove otherwise. What are your thoughts on the changes it made to the Social Security Act and the long-term ramifications they might have for seniors? Why do you think those changes were made? Were they really necessary? What do you think about the bizarre wording they used?
     
  14. BestViewedWithCable

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    look atcha all....

    What makes you think this isnt the desired result of the government?

    tsk tsk tsk....
     
  15. dujac

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    the article in the op is about infant mortality rates, not maltreatment
     
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    And??

    I gave a link to infant mortality rates around the world and quite honestly, America's statistics aren't all that hot.

    What's your point?
     
  17. dujac

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    and read post #8
     
  18. lizarddust

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    Do you want a pat on the head for posting the statistic first?


    There's a good boy!
     
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    I think Obamacare is a POS bill. With that said, it still does NOT make it Nationalized Government run healthcare as Limbaugh loving cons say it is.


    Just saying.
     
  20. Professor Peabody

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    INFANT? Go back and re-read the OP........PLEASE!
     
  21. stig42

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    you have yet to explain how going in that direction is bad
     
  22. fiddlerdave

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    And he never will explain.

    Its simply propaganda rhetoric, fact free and laden with nothing but the absurd slogans of the corporate-controlled Right.
     
  23. dujac

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    no, i just want you to stop asking ignorant questions
     

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