Israel Teaches The EU a Lesson They Won't Soon Forget

He doesn't.

He's literally an Israeli shill. Joined only a few days ago and has been posting almost exclusively Israeli apologetics in any thread criticizing Israel.

 

I wonder if we agree on the definition of self-determination? My understanding of that term is that it would have required a vote IN PALESTINE and not in the UN. Even within the UN, Zionist threats, and propaganda have been well documented:

"Reports of pressure in favour of the Plan:

"Proponents of the Plan reportedly put pressure on nations to vote yes to the Partition Plan. A telegram signed by 26 US senators with influence on foreign aid bills was sent to wavering countries, seeking their support for the partition plan.[21] Many nations reported pressure directed specifically at them:

"United States (Vote: For): President Truman later noted, 'The facts were that not only were there pressure movements around the United Nations unlike anything that had been seen there before, but that the White House, too, was subjected to a constant barrage. I do not think I ever had as much pressure and propaganda aimed at the White House as I had in this instance. The persistence of a few of the extreme Zionist leaders—actuated by political motives and engaging in political threats—disturbed and annoyed me.'[22]

"India (Vote: Against): Indian Prime Minister Jawaharlal Nehru spoke with anger and contempt for the way the UN vote had been lined up. He said the Zionists had tried to bribe India with millions and at the same time his sister, Vijaya Lakshmi Pandit, had received daily warnings that her life was in danger unless 'she voted right'.[23]

"Liberia (Vote: For): Liberia's Ambassador to the United States complained that the US delegation threatened aid cuts to several countries.[24] Harvey S. Firestone, Jr., President of Firestone Natural Rubber Company, with major holdings in the country, also pressured the Liberian government[19][21]

"Philippines (Vote: For): In the days before the vote, the Philippines' representative General Carlos P. Romulo stated 'We hold that the issue is primarily moral. The issue is whether the United Nations should accept responsibility for the enforcement of a policy which is clearly repugnant to the valid nationalist aspirations of the people of Palestine. The Philippines Government holds that the United Nations ought not to accept such responsibility". After a phone call from Washington, the representative was recalled and the Philippines' vote changed.[21]

"Haiti (Vote: For): The promise of a five million dollar loan may have secured Haiti's vote for partition.[25]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_for_Palestine#Reports_of

 

For the first part, the right to self determination - I see as the right for a nation to detrmine its own destiny for itself, NOT a right for one nation to rule over another, that's not "self" detrmination, you think a vote in Palestine was in order? the last time Palestine was an indipendant state was during the Jewish Kingdom - why would you see it as a state now to give the majority power over the minority ?
Since it wasnt a state but on the way to become one, since the 2 nations that lived there lived in seperate with seperate economies, and since they were fighting each over there was no way to let them live together and the right to self detrmination - which is reserved to ppl not land, gives them the right to have a state of thier own and the Arabs DONT have the right to refuse them.

I dont see the relevance of the pressure, if there was pressure so much the better, that's politics, the Arabs threat of messecere werent any better.

 

Can you imagine Israel without Zionism?

"SOME MONTHS before the outbreak of the Six-Day War, I (Uri Avnery) met a high-ranking member of the Egyptian regime. The meeting took place in Paris through the auspices of a mutual friend. Throughout the years, I have met many leaders of the different Arab states, exchanging opinions and trading ideas for a settlement. But this meeting was different.

"At the outset, I said to my new-found friend: 'Let's make a list of all possible solutions to the Israeli-Arab conflict. Let's analyze every solution in turn and see where we get.'"

"Taking a pen, we wrote the following list on the paper cloth on our table in the Paris restaurant:

(A) Annihilation by war
(B) The destruction of Israel by political and economic isolation
(C) Status quo
(D) A Semitic federation."

http://members.tripod.com/alabasters_archive/pax-semitica.html

It's not too late.

 

Bro, we can smoke the peace pipe and suggest all kinds of things but as a great fan myself I can tell you there is no way we can share the same state today, we must live in seprate, learn there is nothing to fear and the days of annihalition wars are over and from there learn to respect and possibly live together but take will take decades, and if we take the fanatics seriously than we'll have action along the way as well.

 

Hafrada is not your solution. Many jews today live in Germany, the State which brutalised them. Palestinians will adjust to living in Israel.

 

Gilos... do you envision both states with sovereign control over their coastal waters, air space, and borders?

 

indeed, if 200,000 Jews can live in Germany in 2013, millions of Palestinians can live in a Jewish State.

 

There can never be a '; jewish ' State as long as 25% of Israelis are not jewish. That 25% will never accept being second class citizens subservient to a society of uberjews. It just isn't going to happen. Geez, most of Israel's ' jews ' are Europeans anyway, about as ' semitic ' as Anders Breivik.

 

when I say "jewish" state, i mean one where jewish culture and history is highlighted and celebrated.

i dont want any religious discrimination or preferences for Jews in Israel.

 

Not gonna happen, Moon. Palestinians don't have any rights to live in israel, never had, never will. And you can quote me on that.

 

We all know your authority for making such an assertion and will take due account.

 

they already have, or did you miss the million plus Israeli arab citizens. You can take it to the bank that there won't be an influx of any more. there will not be a single state solution. The jews will die before they yield their jewish homeland. - but you knew that.

 

Don't be ridiculous. More than half the Jews in the world do not even live in Israel and a fair number of them are either having a hard time still supporting her or are actively looking for justice for Palestinians.

Serious sanctions, for instance the cut off of trade by the EU and boycotts worldwide apart form the US and Canada would get a large section of the most talented and rich to leave Israel. Then a one state will evolve.

 

Again, not gonna happen. Palestinians do not have the so called right of return, never had and never will.

 

sure they do, as long as they are willing to live in peace with their neighbors.

its in UN resolution 194.

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wrong, UN resolution 194 gives refugees the right to return to Israel.

 

I'm no lover of Islamo Nazis and their stylized form of brutal repression but you guys licking Israel's balls are almost as bad. This is the same country that attacked the U.S.S Liberty for hours killing 34 servicemen in cold blooded murder. Israel is no friend of the US. The old mantra " the enemy of my enemy is my ally" BS applies well here and you "americans" would be wise to understand the true nature of our relationship with Israel.

 

Misguided, useless, non binding resolution which is not based on international law and will never, ever see the light of day.

 

un resolutions ARE international law.

if UN resolution 194 is null & void, then so is 273..

 

Twaddle. Resolution 194 is a cornerstone of Israel's own legitimacy.

 

A lawyer, eh? Did you know, the possession is a 9/10th of the law?

 

Old wives' tale.

 

yankee doodle dandy

 

Indeed. If 194 is worthless than so is the UNGA resolution making Israel a member state.

 

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