Prevent another Holocaust?

Mind proving that? According to other sources I've seen, Jews were estimated to be about 1% of the people who got caught up in the Bolshevik genocide of the Ukrainians (orchestrated by Jewish Bolsheviks), which would put your half a million estimate far too high.

 

Since people don't seem to have the necessary sympathy for suffering unless they can see it, here is the genocide of the Ukrainians, courtesy of Lazar Moiseyevitch Kaganovitch and his cohorts:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmSc8ZKvDKw

Six million white Russians killed in a genocide of systematic starvation and torture and cruelties beyond measure.

How can we prevent this from happening in the future?

 

those numbers included almost 500,000 Jews.

EDIT:

my bad, my math was very off.

I meant 50,000...not 500,000.

anyways, this topic is about how to prevent another Holocaust of the Jews.

so get back to the topic or leave the discussion.

 

I wouldn't worry about another Holocaust....the Israelis have nukes...

and most Nazis today are a bunch of masturbating losers whose "reich" is blogging on political websites.

 

Same/same. Another poster is right. Wannabe dictators need "enemies" for the people to "unite" against. This gives them an excuse to take away ALL our rights for anybody that opposes them. Our main protection against that is in the Constitution, which gives us a government of laws, not men, and so is devoted to protecting the public's rights rather than some vague "volk" whose definition changes with every change of the dictator's will.

True enough, Jewish ethnicists, I now understand want to use the word "Holocaust" to mean any of the many modern genocides. The specific war against the Jews in WWII should be called the "Shoah"

It does if we adopt the modern meaning of the term, (see above). However that does NOT mean I agree with Death's Head (your avatar is REALLY apt) that apparently all of man's inhumanity to man is/was caused by Jews. This is a sure tactic of closet Nazis, they find ONE Jew who participated in ONE genocide and then blame the entire people, often for their own destruction.

And you exhibit a sure mastery of closet Nazi tactics, as I outlined.

Again, the Holocaust of the Jews is the Shoah. What we, and all Jews, want to prevent is mass killings. That will only happen when governments recognize that all people have dignity and worth. The Constitution does that, and our government should adhere to its principles.

Which is basically what they were in 1924. Do not underestimate these people. They have the power of hate on their side and some of mankind's general hate for existence is strong, insidious and evil by definition. Most people dismiss it because they do not understand it. It's good they don't understand, but bad to ignore.

 

Only Nazi swine and Islamofascists deny the holocaust IE the systematic extermination of European Jewry resulting in 6 million dead Jews and millions more non-Jews those who do deny it are not evidence driven but driven by hatred of Jews, they seek to rehabilitate the image of the Nazi regime by denying the largest crime in human history in order that they may justify their own hatred of the Jews by denying what happens when their hatred is taken to its only eventual conclusion.


According to the World Almanac Census data the number of Jews alive in 1949 at 11,266,600 now when we subtract that number from the 1938 census data of 16,588,259 the number of Jews who disappeared into the ether over that decade was 5,321,659.

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/ftp.cgi?people//f/freedman.benjamin/background-data

The Einsatzgruppen Special Reports to the RSHA detailing the targeting of Jews, the dates of the killings, where they were killed, and how many, are available in their totality here:

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/sitreptoc.html

Here is the document regarding crematoria capacity at Auschwitz:

80,000 Cremation Capacity Per Month Not Sufficient for Auschwitz - New Document

http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/topf/

Do the math, even if we use that 80,000 figure which was not sufficient production capacity then between September 1942 to the liberation of Aushwitz in January 1945 we come to the figure of 2.25 million deaths using the low 80,000 figure and for only a single camp.

Here is the transcript of the Wansee Protocol detailing the Nazi plans for the "final solution":

http://www.writing.upenn.edu/~afilreis/Holocaust/wansee-transcript.html

Here is a speech given by Himmler proving that the "Final Solution" was the extermination of European Jewry conducted on October 4, 1943:

I am now referring to the evacuation of the Jews, the extermination of the Jewish people. It's one of those things that is easily said: 'The Jewish people are being exterminated', says every party member, 'this is very obvious, it's in our program, elimination of the Jews, extermination, we're doing it, hah, a small matter.' [...] But of all those who talk this way, none had observed it, none had endured it. Most of you here know what it means when 100 corpses lie next to each other, when 500 lie there or when 1,000 are lined up. To have endured this and at the same time to have remained a decent person - with exceptions due to human weaknesses - had made us tough. This is a page of glory never mentioned and never to be mentioned. [...] We have the moral right, we had the duty to our people to do it, to kill this people who wanted to kill us.

http://www.holocaust-history.org/himmler-poznan/speech-text.shtml
http://www.holocaust-history.org/himmler-poznan/

And another on October 6, 1943:

I ask of you that that which I say to you in this circle be really only heard and not ever discussed. We were faced with the question: what about the women and children? – I decided to find a clear solution to this problem too. I did not consider myself justified to exterminate the men - in other words, to kill them or have them killed and allow the avengers of our sons and grandsons in the form of their children to grow up. The difficult decision had to be made to have this people disappear from the earth. For the organisation which had to execute this task, it was the most difficult which we had ever had. [...] I felt obliged to you, as the most superior dignitary, as the most superior dignitary of the party, this political order, this political instrument of the Führer, to also speak about this question quite openly and to say how it has been. The Jewish question in the countries that we occupy will be solved by the end of this year. Only remainders of odd Jews that managed to find hiding places will be left over.

And here is the Jager Report detailing the "liquidation" of Lithuanian Jewry:


Prior to EK 3 taking over security police duties, Jews liquidated 133,346

-----------
Total 137,346

Today I can confirm that our objective, to solve the Jewish problem for Lithuania, has been achieved by EK 3. In Lithuania there are no more Jews, apart from Jewish workers and their families.

The distance between from the assembly point to the graves was on average 4 to 5 Km.

I consider the Jewish action more or less terminated as far as Einsatzkommando 3 is concerned. Those working Jews and Jewesses still available are needed urgently and I can envisage that after the winter this workforce will be required even more urgently. I am of the view that the sterilization program of the male worker Jews should be started immediately so that reproduction is prevented. If despite sterilization a Jewess becomes pregnant she will be liquidated.

(signed) Jager
SS-Standartenf�hrer

http://fcit.usf.edu/holocaust/resource/document/DocJager.htm

 

why doesn't anyone want to respond to my suggestion that the Jews arm themselves to prevent another Shoah?

 

Reality check, Stalin wasn't a Jews and I seriously doubt that the Ukrainians who survived the Holodomor would appreciate being called Russian, buy a (*)(*)(*)(*)ing book.

 

I agree, they, and all other law obiding people, should be armed. I support the right to bear arms, and wish it was legal to do so in sweden to a much greater extent.

 

This is all rhetoric unfounded in truth. You ignore the gruesome mass murder under the Bolshevik regime which was systematic and methodical, then invent stories about Germany and call it the "worst crime in human history." Perhaps you just don't value the lives of anyone but Jews, I don't know, but you certainly seem to paint history in such a way and manner that would lead me to believe that might be the case even if it is inadvertent. You can post all the irrelevant numbers you wish, which don't point to anything but a difference in the Jewish population of Europe after the Third Reich. Considering many Jews went to Palestine and the United States and left the continent, I have no idea why you believe we should all accept that this means "six million" Jews were gassed and incinerated in ovens, which is an impossibility for anyone without an overactive imagination.

Your tale of history is falling apart at the seams. It's falling apart all over the world. In Europe, in the Middle East, and it's beginning to fall apart in America.
Attaching fake `documents` and the equivalent of tripod websites isn't going to change any of that. The truth is emerging and comes with the inevitability of a changing tide.

You cannot hold back the wind but you are free to try if it pleases you.

 

you are a liar.

no one claims that 6 million Jews died from gassing.

 

More likely to go after Muslims than Jews these days....cheered on by the very same people who give Israel, or more accurately the Likud Party of Israel, unwavering support.

If there are death camps again in the future...it'll be Muslims put in them by American and European rightwingers, for the exact same reasons Hitler gave Germans to do it to Jews.

 

Actually, that was more or less the claim for decades, and people were happy to make such a claim until the sheer absurdity began to dawn on people and it had to be scaled back and revised.
WWII "revisionists," as you all like to call them (it's mildly effective, like "conspiracy theorist") have forced the retreat and revision of these stories for decades, and will continue to do so, because they all started out as lies, the foundation for them are lies, and, as is often says, the truth always finds a way.

In short, it isn't the revisionists that have had to refine and change their stories over and over and over again. It's the revisionists that have been proven correct over and over and over again.
Sort of like your "500,000" Jews in the Jewish lead Ukrainian genocide had to be revised down to 50,000 after you were called out on your misinformation in this very thread.

 

Ya except the testimony of thousands of eyewitnesses including from the Nazi's themselves years after the war who to this day have not recanted their testimony, the census statistics of European Jewish populations, the transcripts of the Wannsee Conference outlining the final solution, the speeches proving that the final solution was not deportation but extermination, and the thousands of Nazi documents outlining the atrocities committed by the Einsatzgruppen.


Regarding postwar testimony from Nazis, were they all tortured into confessing to heinous crimes which they supposedly did not commit? This might be believable if only a few Nazis were captured after the war, or maybe if some had courageously stood up in court and shouted to the world about the supposed attempt to silence them. But hundreds testified regarding the Holocaust, in trials dating from late 1945 until the 1960s. (For example, see Böck, Hofmann, Hössler, Klein, Münch, and Stark.)

Many of these Nazis testified as witnesses and were not accused of crimes. What was the basis for their supposed coercion?

Many of these trials were in German courts. Did the Germans torture their own countrymen? Well, Holocaust-deniers sometimes claim that the Jews have secretly infiltrated the German government and control everything about it. They prefer not to talk too much about this theory, however, because it is clearly on the lunatic fringe.

The main point is that not one of these supposed torture victims -- in fifty years, not one -- has come forth to support the claim that testimony was coerced.

On the contrary, confirmation and reconfirmation of their testimony has continued across the years. What coercion could have convinced Judge Konrad Morgen to testify to the crimes he witnessed at the International Nuremberg Trial in 1946, where he was not accused of any crime? And to later testify at the Auschwitz trial at Frankfurt, Germany, in 1963-65? What coercion was applied to SS Doctor Johann Kremer to make him testify in his own defense in 1947, and then, after having been convicted in both Poland and Germany, emerge after his release to testify again as a witness at the Frankfurt trial? What coercion was applied to Böck, Gerhard Hess, Hölblinger, Storch, and Wiebeck, all former SS men, all witnesses at Frankfurt, none accused of any crime there?

Holocaust-deniers point to small discrepancies in testimonies to try to discredit them. The assumption, unstated, is that the reader will accept minor discrepancies as evidence of a vast, over-reaching Jewish conspiracy. This is clearly ludicrous.

In fact, the discrepancies and minor errors in detail argue against, not for, the conspiracy theory. Why would the conspirators have given different information to different Nazis? In fact, if all the testimonies, from the Nazis' to the inmates', sounded too similar, it is certain that the Holocaust-deniers would cite that as evidence of a conspiracy.

What supposed coercion could reach across four decades, to force former SS-Untersturmführer Dr. Hans Münch to give an interview, against the will of his family, on Swedish television? In the 1981 interview, he talked about Auschwitz:

Interviewer: Isn't the ideology of extermination contrary to a doctor's ethical values?

Münch: Yes, absolutely. There is no discussion. But I lived in that environment, and I tried in every possible way to avoid accepting it, but I had to live with it. What else could I have done? And I wasn't confronted with it directly until the order came that I and my superior and another one had to take part in the exterminations since the camp's doctors were overloaded and couldn't cope with it.

Interviewer: I must ask something. Doubters claim that "special treatment" could mean anything. It didn't have to be extermination.

Münch: "Special treatment" in the terminology of the concentration camp means physical extermination. If it was a question of more than a few people, where nothing else than gassing them was worthwhile, they were gassed.

Interviewer: "Special treatment" was gassing?

Münch: Yes, absolutely.

And what supposed coercion could reach across four decades, to force former SS-Unterscharführer Franz Suchomel into giving an interview for the film Shoah? Speaking under (false) promises of anonymity, he told of the crimes committed at the Treblinka death camp (from the book Shoah, Claude Lanzmann, 1985, p. 54):

Interviewer: You are a very important eyewitness, and you can explain what Treblinka was.

Suchomel: But don't use my name.

Interviewer: No, I promised. All right, you've arrived at Treblinka.

Suchomel: So Stadie, the sarge, showed us the camps from end to end. Just as we went by, they were opening the gas-chamber doors, and people fell out like potatoes. Naturally, that horrified and appalled us. We went back and sat down on our suitcases and cried like old women.

Each day one hundred Jews were chosen to drag the corpses to the mass graves. In the evening the Ukrainians drove those Jews into the gas chambers or shot them. Every day!


http://www.nizkor.org/qar-complete.cgi

According to the World Almanac Census data the number of Jews alive in 1949 at 11,266,600 now when we subtract that number from the 1938 census data of 16,588,259 the number of Jews who disappeared into the ether over that decade was 5,321,659.

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/ftp.cgi?people//f/freedman.benjamin/background-data

The Einsatzgruppen Special Reports to the RSHA detailing the targeting of Jews, the dates of the killings, where they were killed, and how many, are available in their totality here:

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/sitreptoc.html

Here is the document regarding crematoria capacity at Auschwitz:

80,000 Cremation Capacity Per Month Not Sufficient for Auschwitz - New Document

http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/topf/

Do the math, even if we use that 80,000 figure which was not sufficient production capacity then between September 1942 to the liberation of Aushwitz in January 1945 we come to the figure of 2.25 million deaths using the low 80,000 figure and for only a single camp.

Here is the transcript of the Wansee Protocol detailing the Nazi plans for the "final solution":

http://www.writing.upenn.edu/~afilreis/Holocaust/wansee-transcript.html

Here is a speech given by Himmler proving that the "Final Solution" was the extermination of European Jewry conducted on October 4, 1943:

I am now referring to the evacuation of the Jews, the extermination of the Jewish people. It's one of those things that is easily said: 'The Jewish people are being exterminated', says every party member, 'this is very obvious, it's in our program, elimination of the Jews, extermination, we're doing it, hah, a small matter.' [...] But of all those who talk this way, none had observed it, none had endured it. Most of you here know what it means when 100 corpses lie next to each other, when 500 lie there or when 1,000 are lined up. To have endured this and at the same time to have remained a decent person - with exceptions due to human weaknesses - had made us tough. This is a page of glory never mentioned and never to be mentioned. [...] We have the moral right, we had the duty to our people to do it, to kill this people who wanted to kill us.

http://www.holocaust-history.org/himmler-poznan/speech-text.shtml
http://www.holocaust-history.org/himmler-poznan/

And another on October 6, 1943:

I ask of you that that which I say to you in this circle be really only heard and not ever discussed. We were faced with the question: what about the women and children? – I decided to find a clear solution to this problem too. I did not consider myself justified to exterminate the men - in other words, to kill them or have them killed and allow the avengers of our sons and grandsons in the form of their children to grow up. The difficult decision had to be made to have this people disappear from the earth. For the organisation which had to execute this task, it was the most difficult which we had ever had. [...] I felt obliged to you, as the most superior dignitary, as the most superior dignitary of the party, this political order, this political instrument of the Führer, to also speak about this question quite openly and to say how it has been. The Jewish question in the countries that we occupy will be solved by the end of this year. Only remainders of odd Jews that managed to find hiding places will be left over.

And here is the Jager Report detailing the "liquidation" of Lithuanian Jewry:


Prior to EK 3 taking over security police duties, Jews liquidated 133,346

-----------
Total 137,346

Today I can confirm that our objective, to solve the Jewish problem for Lithuania, has been achieved by EK 3. In Lithuania there are no more Jews, apart from Jewish workers and their families.

The distance between from the assembly point to the graves was on average 4 to 5 Km.

I consider the Jewish action more or less terminated as far as Einsatzkommando 3 is concerned. Those working Jews and Jewesses still available are needed urgently and I can envisage that after the winter this workforce will be required even more urgently. I am of the view that the sterilization program of the male worker Jews should be started immediately so that reproduction is prevented. If despite sterilization a Jewess becomes pregnant she will be liquidated.

(signed) Jager
SS-Standartenf�hrer

http://fcit.usf.edu/holocaust/resource/document/DocJager.htm

I don't ignore the Holodomor but Stalin wasn't Jewish and Bolshevism is just as much of a Christian invention as a Jewish one IE the co-author of the Communist Manifesto and editor of Das Kapital; Friedrich Engles. Furthermore; the largest estimates put the victims of the Ukrainian genocide at 7.8 million; whereas, the Holocaust resulted in approximately 12 million dead only approximately 6 million of which were Jewish.

At least I know the difference between a Russian and a Ukrainian.

 

He meant that millions weren't gassed they were shot in mass executions prior to the creation of the extermination camps later into the war. The estimate for the number killed is approximately 5.5 million with higher estimates reaching to 6 million, the census statistics put the number at roughly 5,321,659.

 

"Thousands of witnesses?"

This is where you always get yourselves into trouble. You always over reach. If memory servers, almost 8,000 Jews were found at Auschwitz and out of the 8,000 only.... 7 or 8 of them were "eye witnesses."
None of which, by the way, were cross examined.

Like I said, you're free to try to hold back the wind but the world is changing and the truth is emerging, both in regards to the ridiculous exaggerations of the "Holocaust" and in regards to the Jewish involvement in the Red Terror.

 

Why is it that it is always the Jew-haters that deny the Holocaust? You would think that if they really did see Jews as a menace to the world and to the USA in particular, they would be all in favor of killing as many Jews as possible and would laud the Holocaust as a great and desirable effect. Instead the neo-Nazis say "we should kill all the Jews, but the Nazis we admire who felt the same way didn't kill all the Jews they could lay their hands on, in spite of all the physical evidence and testimony to the contrary".

There must be some profound psychological reason for this, but the only insight I take from it is that modern neo-Nazis and Jew-haters are even nastier bits of humanity than they appear to be on surface examination.

 

The Allied bombing campaign left the German nation in ruin and ash. Entire cities were nothing but piles of rubble. The German people were starving and without medicine due to the intentional targeting of German pharmaceutical plants. The entire nation was a wasteland. German citizens were having to eat the meat from dead horses on the side of the road.
Starvation was killing the Jews, and above all, typhus was killing the Jews, which the Germans were no longer in any position to combat. That is the reality of the great bulk of your "Holocaust."
Germany was not only defeated, it was completely annihilated. The Germans were starving, naturally the people held in concentration camps began to starve with them.

It's probable that in the last six months of the war, the people held in concentration camps weren't at the top of the priority list for a nation desperately trying to prevent its own people from dying of mass starvation while the Bolshevik hordes approached from the East, and the Americans from the west, with all their cities left in complete ruin.

I know typhus doesn't sound as sinister as lampshades and soap made of Jewish skin, or gas chambers and ovens, and might not fit your agenda, but that's just too bad.




Let us not forget that this is what Germany looked like.
I'm not sure how you expected the meal carts and medical visits to continue uninterrupted under such conditions, but it was an impossibility.
War is bad. Total War is worse.

 

Should the Nazis have arms too, then?

Your idea is simple minded and not practical. We are discussing political solutions not violent ones. If an oppressed people arm themselves the oppressor takes this as proof that "they" must be killed before they kill us.

Once it's gone to the point where you need the gun all discussion is over, and guns are easy to get if that point is ever reached, ask the Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto, or the modern Albanians.

I treat the "right" to bear arms in the same way I treat the "right" to keep a keg of smokeless powder or raise a tiger in my urban apartment. It caters to my affections and interests while it might even be damned useful to me one day, but it's just too damned dangerous to allow.

Quite true, any "enemy" will do, even if you have to make one up. In fact, imaginary enemies are the best, that way they can never be defeated and anyone can be defined as one.

Nazis are the masters of cognitive dissonance. Not surprising in people whose main characteristic is that they are arrogant cowards.

 

Yes IE the survivors approximately 1/3 of the Jewish population of Europe which were used for slave labor rather than exterminated.

A) There was more than one death camp sport.

B) While only a handful of Jews witnessed the actual gassing's as they were used to remove the corpses, thousands would have noticed that people getting off the train cars would simply disappear never to be seen again.

C) Numerous high ranking Nazi's testified that they participated in the holocaust of their own volition years after the war and TO THIS DAY have not recanted their testaments.

You haven't even tried to respond to my points at all, usually the neo-Nazi's at least post bull(*)(*)(*)(*) rebuttals.

 

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And all of the evils you're recounting, could not have even started, if the German Legal System and Common People,

had held in high esteem and constant vigilance,

the concept that Government is absolutely prohibited from :

1] Categorizing and Documenting its Citizen's Race and Ethnicity ( or political Beliefs )

2] Giving Differential Treatment Based on those Categories.



If Germany had implemented a 14th Amendment Right to Equal Treatment by the Government, the very first evil steps of Arm-Bands and Registration would NOT have been possible.

We cannot change what happened in 1930 Germany.

We can learn from it!

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muh 6 million

 

What are you talking about? Spielberg's movie is a documentary. There isn't supposed to be anything fictional about it. Now this will have been the what, 3 or 4th time asking? Why did Steven Speilberg include lies and deceptions in the movie? I am still awaiting a satisfactory answer.

The documentary, "The Last Days" claims to be 100% real. It is the true stories of five Hungarian Holocaust survivors, all whose stories are complete based on fabrications and lies. You can watch it for yourself if you don't believe me. Now answer me, why did Spielberg lie?

By the way, here is the movie exposing his lies since I'm sure none of you good goyim watched it the first time I posted it.

[video=youtube;80GgRWuXcO8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80GgRWuXcO8[/video]

 

What happened to the 5,321,659 Jews would up and disappeared between 1939 and 1949 census? Maybe the alien's got them. Those reports mean nothing unless you are denying that there were not Jewish pogroms long before the holocaust, 6 million is a figure that roughly corresponds to 2/3 of the Jewish population at the time, so using that figure when reporting on starvation and the like means absolutely nothing unless there are reports that say that 6 million were killed rather than 6 million were threatened with circumstances that could bring about a large death toll.

 

You can stuff your Nazi propaganda you like the rest of the anti-Semitic negationists will fail to address even a single one of my points, the evidence is clear and undeniable, from the Nazi's own documentation, to their speeches, to the Nazi testimonies long after the war that to this day have not been recanted, it shows conclusively and undeniably that A) There was a systematic policy to exterminate 2/3's of European Jewry and work the other 1/3 to death, and B) this policy resulted in between 5 and 6 million Jewish dead with another 6 million non-Jewish dead.


Regarding postwar testimony from Nazis, were they all tortured into confessing to heinous crimes which they supposedly did not commit? This might be believable if only a few Nazis were captured after the war, or maybe if some had courageously stood up in court and shouted to the world about the supposed attempt to silence them. But hundreds testified regarding the Holocaust, in trials dating from late 1945 until the 1960s. (For example, see Böck, Hofmann, Hössler, Klein, Münch, and Stark.)

Many of these Nazis testified as witnesses and were not accused of crimes. What was the basis for their supposed coercion?

Many of these trials were in German courts. Did the Germans torture their own countrymen? Well, Holocaust-deniers sometimes claim that the Jews have secretly infiltrated the German government and control everything about it. They prefer not to talk too much about this theory, however, because it is clearly on the lunatic fringe.

The main point is that not one of these supposed torture victims -- in fifty years, not one -- has come forth to support the claim that testimony was coerced.

On the contrary, confirmation and reconfirmation of their testimony has continued across the years. What coercion could have convinced Judge Konrad Morgen to testify to the crimes he witnessed at the International Nuremberg Trial in 1946, where he was not accused of any crime? And to later testify at the Auschwitz trial at Frankfurt, Germany, in 1963-65? What coercion was applied to SS Doctor Johann Kremer to make him testify in his own defense in 1947, and then, after having been convicted in both Poland and Germany, emerge after his release to testify again as a witness at the Frankfurt trial? What coercion was applied to Böck, Gerhard Hess, Hölblinger, Storch, and Wiebeck, all former SS men, all witnesses at Frankfurt, none accused of any crime there?

Holocaust-deniers point to small discrepancies in testimonies to try to discredit them. The assumption, unstated, is that the reader will accept minor discrepancies as evidence of a vast, over-reaching Jewish conspiracy. This is clearly ludicrous.

In fact, the discrepancies and minor errors in detail argue against, not for, the conspiracy theory. Why would the conspirators have given different information to different Nazis? In fact, if all the testimonies, from the Nazis' to the inmates', sounded too similar, it is certain that the Holocaust-deniers would cite that as evidence of a conspiracy.

What supposed coercion could reach across four decades, to force former SS-Untersturmführer Dr. Hans Münch to give an interview, against the will of his family, on Swedish television? In the 1981 interview, he talked about Auschwitz:

Interviewer: Isn't the ideology of extermination contrary to a doctor's ethical values?

Münch: Yes, absolutely. There is no discussion. But I lived in that environment, and I tried in every possible way to avoid accepting it, but I had to live with it. What else could I have done? And I wasn't confronted with it directly until the order came that I and my superior and another one had to take part in the exterminations since the camp's doctors were overloaded and couldn't cope with it.

Interviewer: I must ask something. Doubters claim that "special treatment" could mean anything. It didn't have to be extermination.

Münch: "Special treatment" in the terminology of the concentration camp means physical extermination. If it was a question of more than a few people, where nothing else than gassing them was worthwhile, they were gassed.

Interviewer: "Special treatment" was gassing?

Münch: Yes, absolutely.

And what supposed coercion could reach across four decades, to force former SS-Unterscharführer Franz Suchomel into giving an interview for the film Shoah? Speaking under (false) promises of anonymity, he told of the crimes committed at the Treblinka death camp (from the book Shoah, Claude Lanzmann, 1985, p. 54):

Interviewer: You are a very important eyewitness, and you can explain what Treblinka was.

Suchomel: But don't use my name.

Interviewer: No, I promised. All right, you've arrived at Treblinka.

Suchomel: So Stadie, the sarge, showed us the camps from end to end. Just as we went by, they were opening the gas-chamber doors, and people fell out like potatoes. Naturally, that horrified and appalled us. We went back and sat down on our suitcases and cried like old women.

Each day one hundred Jews were chosen to drag the corpses to the mass graves. In the evening the Ukrainians drove those Jews into the gas chambers or shot them. Every day!


http://www.nizkor.org/qar-complete.cgi

According to the World Almanac Census data the number of Jews alive in 1949 at 11,266,600 now when we subtract that number from the 1938 census data of 16,588,259 the number of Jews who disappeared into the ether over that decade was 5,321,659.

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/ftp.cgi?people//f/freedman.benjamin/background-data

The Einsatzgruppen Special Reports to the RSHA detailing the targeting of Jews, the dates of the killings, where they were killed, and how many, are available in their totality here:

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/sitreptoc.html

Here is the document regarding crematoria capacity at Auschwitz:

80,000 Cremation Capacity Per Month Not Sufficient for Auschwitz - New Document

http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/topf/

Do the math, even if we use that 80,000 figure which was not sufficient production capacity then between September 1942 to the liberation of Aushwitz in January 1945 we come to the figure of 2.25 million deaths using the low 80,000 figure and for only a single camp.

Here is the transcript of the Wansee Protocol detailing the Nazi plans for the "final solution":

http://www.writing.upenn.edu/~afilreis/Holocaust/wansee-transcript.html

Here is a speech given by Himmler proving that the "Final Solution" was the extermination of European Jewry conducted on October 4, 1943:

I am now referring to the evacuation of the Jews, the extermination of the Jewish people. It's one of those things that is easily said: 'The Jewish people are being exterminated', says every party member, 'this is very obvious, it's in our program, elimination of the Jews, extermination, we're doing it, hah, a small matter.' [...] But of all those who talk this way, none had observed it, none had endured it. Most of you here know what it means when 100 corpses lie next to each other, when 500 lie there or when 1,000 are lined up. To have endured this and at the same time to have remained a decent person - with exceptions due to human weaknesses - had made us tough. This is a page of glory never mentioned and never to be mentioned. [...] We have the moral right, we had the duty to our people to do it, to kill this people who wanted to kill us.

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And another on October 6, 1943:

I ask of you that that which I say to you in this circle be really only heard and not ever discussed. We were faced with the question: what about the women and children? – I decided to find a clear solution to this problem too. I did not consider myself justified to exterminate the men - in other words, to kill them or have them killed and allow the avengers of our sons and grandsons in the form of their children to grow up. The difficult decision had to be made to have this people disappear from the earth. For the organisation which had to execute this task, it was the most difficult which we had ever had. [...] I felt obliged to you, as the most superior dignitary, as the most superior dignitary of the party, this political order, this political instrument of the Führer, to also speak about this question quite openly and to say how it has been. The Jewish question in the countries that we occupy will be solved by the end of this year. Only remainders of odd Jews that managed to find hiding places will be left over.

And here is the Jager Report detailing the "liquidation" of Lithuanian Jewry:


Prior to EK 3 taking over security police duties, Jews liquidated 133,346

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Total 137,346

Today I can confirm that our objective, to solve the Jewish problem for Lithuania, has been achieved by EK 3. In Lithuania there are no more Jews, apart from Jewish workers and their families.

The distance between from the assembly point to the graves was on average 4 to 5 Km.

I consider the Jewish action more or less terminated as far as Einsatzkommando 3 is concerned. Those working Jews and Jewesses still available are needed urgently and I can envisage that after the winter this workforce will be required even more urgently. I am of the view that the sterilization program of the male worker Jews should be started immediately so that reproduction is prevented. If despite sterilization a Jewess becomes pregnant she will be liquidated.

(signed) Jager
SS-Standartenf�hrer

http://fcit.usf.edu/holocaust/resource/document/DocJager.htm