The Atheist Bible: Does one exist?

It's almost like you're TRYING to misunderstand.

No, not in all things except one. There are many things which are binary, and many things which are not. The one thing we are discussing just now happens to be, in my opinion, binary. If you don't KNOW whether god exists, that is actually a separate point from whether you BELIEVE god exists. I for example, do not know for sure. But I believe he doesn't. It's really that simple.

 

You are free to believe the sky is brown and the ground is blue as well as the false belief there is no middle ground between theist and atheist.

 

Just as free as you are to believe the grass is purple and the sea is tartan as well as the false belief that there is a middle ground.

What do you think? Are my blithe, faintly insulting, unsubstantiated opinions-presented-as-if-they-were-facts up to your standard?

 

No it doesn't.

[quoteNeils Bohr set down the Quantum Principle called the Copenhagen Interpretation which stated that "nothing physically exists until some observer "sees" it and thereby Collapses the Wave Function which contains it's information.[/quote]

Nothing requires the "observer" to be sentient. In Schroedinger's Cat thought experiment, the Geiger counter itself is the observer. No deity needed. Plus, there are other schools of thought in QM aside from the Copenhagen Interpretation.

No, you're quite wrong there.

That also means infinite universes that are hellish where our contemporary selves exist in unending torture. Lovely deity you've got there. :v

But, seriously, you're mangling the hell out of QM, there.

 

Imitation is the sincerest of flattery. -- Charles Caleb Colton

 

That is exactly what I categorically reject.

 

I think you are misunderstanding the difference between belief and knowledge. I believe for example that life exists on other planets, but I don't know that is true. Belief is accepting that a claim is true or likely to be true, while knowing is a state reserved for beliefs that you are incredibly certain of. it is true that you could have no belief on whether there is a god or not, that is incredibly unlikely, you would be saying that it is equally likely that god exists as that he doesn't which as you must admit is an impossible position.

 

What makes that position impossible?

 

I tend to consider a snide remark implying I can't "keep up" from somebody that has probably had no reason to keep up with the refinement in atheistic thinking, but think they know it all to be snotty.

I have provided you with references. I can't make you read them nor understand the nuances of same.

Your characterization is simply wrong.

I am an atheist. I do not believe in any religious dogma or devine description. OTOH, I accept the fact that i may be wrong, since the absence of proof is not proof of absence. Doesn't bother me that I can't definitively prove non-existence, since I am comfortable that the onus is on the theist to prove existence, which they can't do either.

 

Obviously you believe so. That's why we're having this little tête-à-tête.

 

quite. I suppose providing you with knowlege makes no difference. Fair enough.

agnostic atheist A person who holds the view that the existence of a deity cannot be proven nor disproven, but personally leans towards the idea of there not being one. In this case, agnostic is an adjective. "Atheist" has to do with belief, and "agnostic" has to do with knowledge. Two completely different animals, but can be applied to each other. Basically, a person who doesn't know and doesn't believe

 

What? If the question is, "Do you believe in X?", then "I don't know" is not an answer! It's like if I asked you "what's your favorite number" and you said "purple". "I don't know" answers an entirely different question. Look, it's really simple. Can you state, "I believe in X"? No? Then you don't believe in X. "Do you believe" is an entirely binary question. How strongly a faith or opinion is held is not binary. Whether someone who doesn't believe doesn't believe because he's sure there isn't a god or simply isn't convinced there is one is not binary. But the fundamental question of belief is entirely binary. There is no middle ground. There is absolutely no stance which cannot be sorted into "I believe" or "I do not believe". Name me one. "I don't know" - well, can you affirmatively state that you believe? No? Then you don't believe! It's really that easy!

 

Mein herr, "I don't know" is an answer. You can try to simplify the world into black and white, but reality is not black and white. Ergo, to simplify the world into black and white, is or isn't, is simply a self-deluding illusion.

 

So why do Ahteists ask so many questions about GOD and what Bible believers believe? as if to sway those that beleive into non-belief.

why not live your lives and let the Bible beleivers live theirs..

 

Okay. Name me one position that cannot be categorized into "I believe" or "I don't believe".

"I don't know" can and will be divided into these categories. Don't know if you believe? Then you almost certainly do not, as you do not actively believe.

 

There ya go, there's your answer. These are questions we could not answer adequately that tended to drive us away from Christianity. We wonder what answers you have.

Because live and let live only works if everyone does it. And Christians most definitely have not been good about this.

 

It's an answer in the sense of a response (similar to the way I would 'answer' the doorbell), but not in the sense of a solution to a question. I am fairly sure he meant the latter.

 

Why don't you believe the quran or gita, or book or mormons?

 

One can neither believe nor disbelieve if they are researching it or if they simply don't care. Do you believe there is life on other planets? You can answer in several ways other than "yes", without proof or "no", again without proof. A simple "I don't know" or "I don't care" are actually better answers since they do not require proof yet remain legitimate answers.

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Agreed it isn't a solution, but, as in the alien life question, answering yes or no without proof isn't an answer to the question either.

 

They are answers. One of them is even the correct answer.

 

But without evidence, they are only guesses. Beliefs.

 

The question is not "does god exist?" It's "do you believe god exists?" You seem to be conflating the two. How can someone not know if they believe something? How can someone not have proof that they do or don't believe something? Someone may well not care whether they believe something, but that doesn't speak at all to the truth of whether they believe or don't. Belief is almost involuntary. For any potentially true statement, you have either been presented with that statement and believe it, or you do not believe it. It's like pregnancy. A woman is either pregnant or she isn't. There is a degree to which a woman might be pregnant, meaning she may be further along than another, but either a fertilized egg has implanted itself in her womb or it hasn't. Like that, there is no middle ground between whether someone believes or does not. They may waffle, their intensity of belief may fluctuate, but "I believe x" is either true or it isn't. If you don't answer "yes" when asked if you believe something, excepting the need for further clarification, then you do not hold that belief. I don't know how many more tautologies have to be brought out for you (and others like you) to understand this.

 

False. If they simply don't care, they still either do or do not believe.

No, you just don't get it. My answer to this is no, because I have not seen evidence thereof, but even if I was researching it with an entirely open mind, that answer would still be yes or no. This vid is worth a look.

That's not even a legitimate answer to the question of "does god exist". It's a dodge. It does nothing to damage the binary nature of the question, it just circumvents the question entirely. It's a rational, reasonable dodge, but a dodge all the same. However, when it comes to belief, this dodge no longer becomes rational or reasonable.

You seem to be conflating an assertion of knowledge with a position of belief. Big mistake.

 

Prove it's false.

 

They would both be incorrect if someone either didn't know or didn't care.