Who was the better philosopher: Moses, Jesus, Paul, or Muhammad?

Yeah...but who's rules?

Are they the rules of an actual existing GOD...of which we have absolutely ZERO PROOF that such a GOD exists....or are they the rules of some guy who was living thousands of years ago and wrote this story?

I personally find it absolutely hysterical that the Old Testament and specifically the Adam and Eve Story has the old...Woman BAD....always get's Man into Trouble...Man...GOOD...as long as he doesn't listen to Woman! LOL!!

Plus I LOVE how the SNAKE was picked to represent EVIL or the Devil.

I personally don't believe in a Devil and I tend to find it really funny that some people do.

I mean...Why take responsibility for ones own actions when there is a DEVIL to blame?

I guess that why the Rolling Stone's wrote...Sympathy for the Devil! LOL!!

AboveAlpha

 

How did Moses enforce his rules? If anyone dared to break them he stoned them to death. Therefore unless someone had more power than Moses did he did as he was told to do and didn't whine about it.

How did Mohammed enforce his rules? He chopped people's heads off who disagreed with him.

Jesus enforced his rules by claiming that people would go to hell or to the lake of fire for eternity. Fear works wonders.

Governments enforce their rules by throwing people into prison, fining them, or executing them.

Parents enforce their rules through a variety of means, usually depending upon the child's age.

People usually comply to escape real or imagined punishment. All rules are man-made.

 

Well, I'm going to come out and say Jesus. He talked about love, peace, understanding, and charity. As I said in my previous post, I can't stand Paul and I'm not a big fan of Moses. He was too law happy. And Mohammed? Not really into the whole submission to God thing, and he tends to be a little too violent for my taste.

 

I agree.

Since I am a follower of the Scientific Method I am an Agnostic.

For those who do not understand what I just said...it means that by using the Scientific Method a person cannot positively rule out the existence of a GOD....thus I cannot state that a GOD does not exist and thus I am not an Atheist.

This does not preclude the reality that there is a very high probability that a GOD at the very least in the manner a GOD is depicted to exist as in ancient religious text such as the Bible, Koran and Torah....does not exist.

But there is a possibility no matter how small the probability dictates a GOD existing that such a possibility is more than enough to label myself an Agnostic.

I find it highly amusing when some Highly Religious people of Faith think Agnostic means I am an Atheist.

AboveAlpha

 

IMO all four, Moses, Jesus, Paul, and Mohammed, were effective salesmen for their philosophies.

Moses and Mohammed used force to get their way.

Jesus used fear.

Paul used reason.

Paul and Mohammed were more inclusive and appealed to all regardless of race or status.

Moses and Jesus were more exclusive, appealing only to the exclusive Jewish demographic.

In some ways Moses and Mohammed could have been twins. They were hard-core on most issues.

Paul was the most humanistic of the four, even though he did have some ideas that don't play well in today's society. I give the edge to Paul as the best philosopher.

 

I'm not real sure.

 

I agree. How will they learn is no one teaches them? Or, at least, try...

 

Don't forget George W.! I like to listen to his philosophy while I'm chokin' down a bag of pretzels. LOL

 

OK. Perhaps it is best to go with the date range that the vast majority of Religious Scholars and Biblical Archaeologists give = around 1800-2000.

A Babylonian king named Hammurabi wrote his famous law code shortly after this time period. It is worth having a read as many of its statutes are similar to the 10 commandments. It even has things that Jesus would like such as welfare for the widows and the poor. If a farmer had a bad crop one year he could get an interest free loan for the next year.

Be Well.

 

So if I accept scripture as my authority, why would I go with what a "religious Scholar" has to say about a subject, if it conflicts with scripture?

 

Where is the conflict with scripture?

 

Did I state it did conflict with scripture?
Does scripture state a timeline?

 

If you are God, you don't need to be a philosopher. You already know. So that lets out Jesus and probably Paul because he was just Jesus's echo chamber. I don't think Moses is known for his high-powered philosophy (maybe David is better known), and I don't know enough about Muhammad to care. On his good days he was probably more like a Paul clonie. The greatest philosopher of all time was Shakespeare because he knew there were a lot more things going on than can be drem't of in anybody's philosophy.

 

Certainly. There are begats in many ancestoral lineages.
I think you've even cited some from noah to jesus on PF.

 

begats are not necessarily an absolute timeline.

 

who said anything about absolute. But it will get you in the ball park.
Not millioins or billions of years difference.

 

But unless It states an actual timeline then its left up to mans flawed interpretation, and we do see where that gets us on most issues.

 

The obvious question this brings up is if you don't know what scripture is saying in the first place, how can you make it your authority? Since you don't know what it says, how do you place your faith in it for accuracy?

 

Well, it depends on what you mean by "not knowing what its says". If scriptures declare itself as "God breathed, and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness", then how can I not believe that its authoritative, and accurate?

 

What did God breathe before there was air?

 

They were all moral monsters. So none of the above.

 

did He breathe or is that an anthropomorphism?

 

nope, not at all. It can't be flawed by 10's of thousands of years or more.

 

That verse only refers to the Old Testament, as it was all that was written at the time of that verse.
You believe it is accurate why?
Because it says so?
If I declare everything I say is absolute truth, will you believe that to be so also?

 

really, why not?