Egypt Blockades Gaza. Where Are the Flotillas?

You seem to be of the understanding that the Palestinians in Gaza are not capable nor interested in being educated. Is that your assertion?

 

Not the kind of education that you think of, stopping the anti-semite teaching in Palestinian schools was actually a demand by Israel during the peace process, I think we needed to free some prosoners for that or the US needed to give them some money, they already have an education system that is based on anti western ideas that fit many Muslim societies in the world, you cant raise them on anti western ideolegy AND expect them to make peace with, accept it as equel right brothers, its simply doesnt match, then you also need to consider the religon, is it compasionate and understanding like.....Budhaism ? not really, it cannot contain "evil", and that's what Israel/US other Western countires are for them.

Education - werstern style is not the answer, its more of a "colonial" point of view to make other see things from a western point of view, that will not work.


Holding the biggest stick wont make them love us but they will respect power, the'll see it as a sign from God that now is not the time to confront the infidels.

 

Hang on one second, klipkap... you do not mean to tell us, you do not know about multi-year blockade of Gaza by Egypt? From your post it sounds as if Egypt just now did this unspeakable thing to it's palestinian brothers which, of course, is not so. Here's a year old article from reputable source...

Egypt lifts 5-year blockade of Gaza, allowing Palestinians free entry

With an Islamist president in power, Egypt has eased longtime visa restrictions on Palestinians traveling from Gaza, ending its longtime assistance in Israel’s siege of the area. Cairo lifted visa requirements for Gazans under 40 traveling with a family to Egypt through the Rafah border crossing, Palestinian and Egyptian officials said Monday.

"We were officially informed by the Egyptian side of a decision to allow any Palestinian under the age of 40 to travel through Rafah with his family without a visa, starting today," said Maher Abu Sabha, director of borders within Gaza's Hamas-run government. The move by Egypt’s new Islamist government comes despite concerns from security agencies that have long assisted Israel’s 5-year blockade on Gaza, taking a tough line on Palestinian travelers due to fears of Hamas insurgents. Even after Cairo permanently reopened the Rafah crossing in 2011, heavy restrictions were imposed.

Under the old rules, Palestinians under 40 had to be escorted by security agents to or from Gaza's border to ensure they spent no time on Egyptian territory. The rather humiliating procedure often meant detention at the border or airport for up to three days.

http://rt.com/news/egypt-eases-restrictions-gaza-897/

Again I maintain, without Egyptians assisting Israelis and blockading Gaza for years and years, Israeli blockade of Gaza would be meaningless. The OP is , of course, correct in all respects.

 

Is that why they keep throwing rockets at you? Because your big stick is a deterrent?

You don't know that education and economic development won't work because you have not tried them. You have not tried then because your corporate masters want to keep you in a state of conflict. It drives consumption and legitimizes the police state they use to control you.

 

When we use the big stick they dont even swear at our direction, we had quite since last Gaza op in 2012, not to mention Lebanon since 2006,

The only problem is when we dont use it, if IDF had a free hand.......we wouldnt need to return to Gaza every few years.

No, you are wrong, not in the "corporate masters" sense, Im not even sure what that means, but in the way you talk about 'giving' them an education, they have the money, they have the ability and the support to give whatever education they see fit, and they CHOSE Islamic education, you cant force them otherwise, you can bribe them but that didnt work, like I said many of them and especially in Egypt despise it.

 

Oh, I knew about Egypt's visa [and other] restrictions. My post was about the OP reference being a cheat, and therefore, as a result of the fraudulent quote, not being at all correct in all respects. Plain. Simple. Clear.

Allow me to remind you what Gatestone printed: "Hamas has finally admitted that it is the Egyptians, and not Israel, who have turned the Gaza Strip into a "big prison.""

Now try to tell me that that is correct in all respects .... with a straight face, of course.

 

Oh, I see. Splitting hair and seeking refuge in semantics much?

 

This is twice now that you have not only ignored the part of my solution which calls for economic development, but also refer to not only the Palestinians, but apparently all majority Islamic countries, as if every single one of them is the same person and of the same mind. Do you see the Jews the same way? Are all characteristics of any Jew the same for all Jews?

Education and economic development are what leads people to resist the slave religions, be they followers of Christianity, Islam, or Judaism. It is the ruling classes that rebuke education and push to maintain dogmatic adherence as that is the source of their control over the working class.

That big stick is another tool of the elite, it can just as easily be turned against you if you resist your own slavery. The conflict justifies maintaining the big stick...its for your own good, kindly pay your taxes and get back to work.

 

Sure, pointing out a blatant misquote is just semantics.

 

No, dont try to pin racism on me, I thought we were specifically talking about fanatics/Islamists, be it in Palestinians, Syrians or Egyptians, all those fanatics DO share the same traits and reasons to hate your guts even they never met you, Im NOT saying the same applies to ALL egyptians Syrians or Palestinians, I specifically talk about the radicals.

You are right in both diagnose and the cure I simply dont think we have the ability for that just yet, I dont think the Palestinians well accept a white knight in shining armor if they knew he is western, they will see it as devil in disguise.

Egypt just recently tried to shake that dark Islamist shaders, if they succeed they will make the first and most important step toward a real free Muslim state in the world, something you can work with, but thats not the case with the Palestinians, or even in Egypt right now.

 

The majority of the followers of any religion are not radical. The radicalization starts with the religious leaders, as radicalizing their adherents gives them more power and control. I certainly didn't intend to imply "racism" but it did seem that you were making generalizations that are impossible to substantiate.

The problem is not limited to Gaza nor to Islamic radicals. What we call the "industrialized world" is controlled by an oligarchy that exists on a supranational level. This oligarchy, which I label as the "corporate oligarchy", John Perkins called it the "corporatocracy", it dominates legislation and policy at the national government level. The national governments have for decades upon decades ceased to be representative of the people they rule over. The corporate media is used to provide a veil of illusion to give the people a false sense of choice in governance and the media and the educations system promote the false notion that the national governments are the height of power and decision making. The slave religions present the mind set that it's ok to suffer in this life for hopes of reward in the afterlife. We are thus wage slaves and the nations we live in are merely tax farms.

The technology exists to end war, poverty, sickness, but those trials are used as a means to promote the ends of fascist oligarchy. Big government is justified as necessary due to the starving, the war torn, the sickly that have no access to medical services...it's all a rouse. The real use of government is not for collective defense and promotion of the interests of the nation but as a means of controlling the tax farms.

We are tax slaves. We are cattle. The lies of religious fanaticism are as real as the lies of political fanaticism. Until we focus on our commonalities, until we seek peaceful solutions to the problems of violence and intolerance, until we evolve as a race, we will continue to be chattel of the ruling class, the majority never seeing the boundaries of our cage.

Much of what has gone on in Egypt and other countries is manipulated, if not down right orchestrated, by the international intelligence network.

 

Wow... easy there, easy...

 

Gotta love email alerts...otherwise we may not ever even wonder why some might so easily be saved by the mods from showing their intellectual dishonesty and their lack of logical argumentation.

Obama's BC? Really? How embarrassing.

 

No need to feel embarrassed. You mentioned global intelligence conspiracy; I wanted to see if there are other conspiracies you may also subscribe to... See the connection?

 

I gave you an example of someone who thinks in different terms than western thinking. I never said it was Israeli thinking nor Arab thinking.
In fact it was intentionally different thinking than those two just to talk about the issue without going into the politics.
Now if you take that person (who is not an Arab not an Israeli) and try to help him solve his problem, while he thinks that having this problem is due to bad actions by him in previous life and living the problem will ratify it for the next life he is going to have, he may think you do him great harm endangering his immortal soul and hate you forever and will make any effort to stop you from "helping" him.

You have to understand that other people may not see things the way you do.
I hope I clarified my example.

I will ignore the personal slander which was not called for.

As for your assertion, you ignored the best example I pointed out that Bin-Laden, the greatest terrorist the west faced in the last century, had great economic status, probably better than most (if not all) posters here and had great education.
The same apply to the people who flew those air planes into buildings, they had all the possible education opportunities in the world and still they chose the ultimate evil.

 

No, there is no connection to anything I said in this thread to Obama's birth certificate. I realize you and others that do what you do are prone to knee jerk reactions to equate any legitimate conspiracy information with the ludicrous and irrelevant in a vapid attempt to marginalize any and all discussion of any conspiracy. Unfortunately for your corporate masters, many people are more intelligent than they think, and they never were that keen on spending for quality over quantity, not even in the propaganda department.

 

Pointing out the obvious, that people have different perspectives on different issues, does not change the fact that, to the problem of the conflict between Gaza and Israel, the billions of US taxpayer dollars being pumped into the region every year (upwards of $11M per day to Israel alone) would be better directed towards education and economic development. It is not even arguable that increased education leads to better understanding and tolerance of differences and leads to economic development. It is also not arguable that people that have a secure economic environment are less prone to violence and are more productive.

Education is a means of changing perspectives. So is economic condition, and so is war. The reason violence is fostered in the region is because violence justifies the expansion of the police state, which expands government and makes government a more useful tool for those that control government.

There was no personal slander, I am sorry if you took offense to what I said.

Your "example" of Bin Laden is a non-starter as your understanding of what Bin Laden was is flawed. Bin Laden was a CIA asset. Al Qaida was created by the CIA as well. The idea that the majority of the people that resort to suicide bombing and violence as orchestrated by the likes of Al Qaida come from secure economic backgrounds with strong educational opportunities is simply a lie.

 

Second meal of the day: Why do atheists like myself have an inner sense of right and wrong? Can't be social brainwashing - nothing in America kowtows to Atheism. God is on our money, we were raised praying to god every morning when we got to school, etc. Life is good. Death is gonna suck hard.

 

Muzzies are kind of slick with regard to that. They know Israel won't nuke Gaza over some half-ass rockets that may or may not hurt someone. And in that regard, muzzies should be DAMN GLAD that I am not running things in Israel. Because I would give them an ultimatum that says for every rocket launched, a thousand Gazans must die. After I wiped out ten or twenty thousand Gazans with F15 carpet bombing runs they would get the hint and stop their crap. They'd b**tch and moan in the UN to be sure; but I guaran-fscking-tee the sh*t would stop most ricky-ticky. You make the reaction intolerable and the original action stops. Anyone who raised kids knows that simple stuff.

 

~ Edit/Bypass filter ~ I am an Atheist, I am Jewish, and after my family and USA, Israel and the safety of all Jews is the most important thing to me. I don't care if they believe all that swill in the old testament down to the last letter. We Jews speak with one common voice no matter what our personal beliefs.

 

That simply isn't true and is exceedingly antisemitic

 

What kind of person call a Jew anti-Semitic. If that wasn't the stupidest thing I ever heard I would say it was a personal attack. I am probably the most pro-Israel Jew on this website. Anti-Semitic. God - get yourself to a dictionary and learn what the heck that word even means. Pathetic.

 

Depends on the religion. There are religions that lend themselves to the radical extermination of all non-believers. Irrespective some past history of humans (crusades, witch burnings, holocausts and genocides, etc); folks need to look at the modern world and analyze the messages of each religion (and how the followers are interpreting those messages) and make a logical determination as to how radical a religion is. A thousand years ago Christianity had some issues; but today it's benign and co-exists well with other religions. Same for Judaism. Islam is a cult in my opinion, and I listed the characteristics of what defines a religion as a cult in another thread. Nobody challenged those definitions, nor should they. The definitions were accurate. So in summation, a religion makes the followers radical (or not).

 

Worrying about one's family; wishing safety to United States and to Israel and wishing safety to all the Jews in the world is now exceedingly antisemitic? Can I have some of what you're smoking, Alexa? I really need it, after reading your post

 

The last ''aid'' ( read Jihad) flotilla from Turkey involved singing they were gonna kill Jews, just shows the mindset of the average '' Aid '' from the Islamic World.

Also most Palestinians are obese, rather then malnourished.