Employee Compensation Plunges. Thanks Obama!

Sorry, but you have one link from an organization no one has ever heard of. I have thousands from across the political spectrum. Obviously, you have chosen to proudly announce your dishonesty. As I said, take a hike.

I must say though, this was an awesome line:

 

Seriously? The progressive left is ALL about slogans & bumper sticker solutions. They wave off any complex accounting issues (numbers are so boring!), & rely on ridicule or dismissal for their rebuttals. The irony here just drips...

 

You linked to a google search. I suspect that you know that large employers are using the ACA mandate as an excuse to pass more of the cost of health care to their employees. You probably also know that they have been doing that very thing for years.....long before the ACA became law. Large employers have been trying to find ways to lower their labor costs since their have been large employers.

I am not going anywhere. You seem to want me to leave this discussion. Why would that be? This is a discussion forum. You never responded to my comment about how covering contraceptives saves money.

C'mon man.........lets talk.

 

The Obama recovery never happened.

Full time jobs have not returned to where they were in 2007 and that failure falls at the feet of Obama,

He has discouraged recovery by stalling the oil pipeline and US oil production on federal land.

And then there is ObamaCare which practically begs employers to go with part time works and the reduced income that means.

Obama is either a fool who does not know what he's doing or he must really hate middle class America and the private sector.

 

Aw what the hell... let's talk. I have no doubt that corporations are using ACA to pass on more health care costs to employees. Now that said, ACA is in fact raising costs. It's not the panacea Obama said it would.

I'd like to give a specific example here. Forever 21 is making all non-management employees work less than 30 hours.

http://www.policymic.com/articles/59981/obamacare-strikes-and-forever-21-cuts-employees-hours

That is a direct result of Obamacare. We also see this in the job numbers this year, perhaps earlier. The large majority of jobs created have been part-time jobs. Now I will say a certain percentage is due to the economy being pretty soft. However, when one looks at the Obamacare mandate, clearly employers, especially ones with lower-skilled workers, are cutting back on full-time employment.

I gotta run. But I like your panache, and we shall continue, bro.

 

75% of the Obamajobs created this year have been part time so far.

Why ?

 

Are you sure they made that change due to Obamacare? They say they did not.

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/114396/obamacare-and-part-time-workers-what-data-say

Are they lying?

 

The keystone pipeline is already slated to be built in 2014. However, the total number of jobs created in the U.S. by the pipeline would be four, count them, one, two, three, four jobs in the U.S. Hardly a recipe for solid economc growith.

There are three reasons why our economy has a weak recovery. First, the private sector is still hesitant in spending on infrastructure. This has been due to the unexpected tax rates unitl the 2013 Tax Law was signed. Second, the reduction of government spending has definitely caused a slowdown in GDP growith. With a threat of a government shutdown and lack of governmental support to the economy by taking up the slack where businesses cannot, this is the primary component of our weak economic recovery. And finally, private household spending is mixed with households getting into greater debt, and thus a weaker purchasing power, to augment the government lack of spending.

All in all, the reason why we are in this weak recovery isn't because of Obama, it is becuase Tea Partiers have no knowledge or buisness running a country, much less fortune 500 corporations.

 

Socialist blogs count as sources now? Can I use infowars too? Rt.com?

 

This is a lie. Otherwise you and 3 people go out an build an intercontinental pipeline and prove me wrong.

because of threats of high taxes, wage controls, more regulations, and a president who talks frash about thrm any chance he can.

If they though they would have been lower would they have held back?

never happened.

Maybe if you let them keep their tax money they could pay in cash and get out of debt?

Just his policies

What was the name of the business Obama ran? Mitt Romney?

Keep belief in fantasy and their own superiority is what is wrong with the left.

 

And the liberal horde is taking the picture and will give the little girl some ice cream on the way back home, , if she doesn't kill them too and sell the camera.

Why not just puke up your Soros troll talking points about the greed of the business owners and the corporate indifference for the working person?

let's see: Forever 21 said, people in these jobs now (stock maintenance associates, cashiers, to name a few) would be able to work no more than 29.5 hours a week. And we believe that the 29.5 number is just a coincident?

So how are the pipes going to get to the work site, welded together and put in a ditch by these four people??

BH Omama dumped close to one trillions dollars into the economy on top of the already out of control spending by the government and still the jobs he promised did not materialize. Did they?

It is total stupidly to think that "OUR" economy would be better off with European like government spending.

My brother and I have a life time of running businesses. Our company worked all over the world in the drilling sector. My brother is still drilling his own oil and gas wells in south Texas and my company is developing new and innovative ways to fight wild fires.

So far all I have met at TEA Party meetings are smart people who do know what it takes to have a strong economy and it isn't to grow the ranks of the non producers like government employees are. The government doesn't' produce one thing other than dependence and road blocks for the private sector.

If the dem idea that one dollar of government spending returned a dollar and a half to the economy worked all we would have to do is spend money by the truck load and before long we would have houses full of money. The truth is that one dollar paid in taxes only generates about one quarter to half a dollar of service whether it be in the form of welfare or military equipment.

And the higher the debit goes the more will be paid to the hated rich and foreign investors who buy our government bonds in the form of interest.

 

Don't know quite what to say, except that it is too early in the day to be drinking that much !! At least in this part of the world.

But we are spending more money than last year still, and non-Defense spending is still way up. Your argument holds no water.

I corrected a couple, but all in all, you misspelled 7 words in the total of your post. My program highlights all in my post, to include those that I quote, and I am not trying to play spelling Gestapo here, as we all make errors on occasion. But seven in one post, where the claims and logic contained therein sincerely lead me to believe that the writer was impaired at the time ?

4 jobs ? Less spending ? Tea Party ?

3 strikes. You're OUT !!

 

Wow I hadn't seen that. It would be tough to accuse them of lying. However, the timing is pretty suspect just the same. PerhPs they do not want their business in a public policy debate.

 

I don't know who told you the Keystone pipeline will only create four jobs but that is utter nonsense.

In case you didnt know, a pipeline IS infrastructure and it will be built with private investment.

Obama want government to control as much spending as possible because he neither understands or believes in the private sector.

So naturally he does not know what makes the private sector grow.

 

IOW, Ace, can you present a 10-point slide presentation so the stupid here at PF can follow along?

 

A white cane and a dog on a harness?

 

Actually, it isn't nonsense. Construction jobs are simply temporary jobs because once the construction is complete, those construction jobs will disappear. Most of the jobs maintaining the pipeline will be north of the border with the company utilizing the TN visa to send its Canadian engineers to help maintain the pipeline on a periodic basis here in the U.S.

Second, private sector will use government, through eminent domain, to create this pipeline. This will increase the cost at taxpayer expense to handle these claims.

Third, we do not have a command economy where the President can dictate his wishes. As I said, the pipeline is schedule to begin construction in 2014. That date is significant because economic and environmental studies have to be done for this project to move forward. No self respecting engineer will want to build this pipeline until those studies are done.

fourth, when this pipeline is build, some of that oil is scheduled to be shipped overseas, Thus, it won't have the impact of lowering gas prices as some have claimed it would.

Finally, this pipeline is not a jobs panacea that some on this forum claim it to be. It will not create the jobs that will significantly impact this economy or improve the private sector or increase the private sector in terms of jobs, profits, or increased GDP.

 

Less full time jobs. What does that mean? It means that employers are making decisions not to hire people full time. Now, how is that the fault of any president?

 

Also, for those who don't want to get directly involved in the argument but just fire off one-line, non-original slurs, why not present some argument? I haven't seen an attempt at answering my very simple questions. I suppose that means that the people making sweeping generalisations simply don't know what they're on about. "Obamajobs"? This is becoming laughable, really it is. Anyway, putting that aside, try and come up with something worth reading and thinking about and the thread will get along nicely.

 

How is this a lie or do you believe in the fairytale that there would be more jobs created. As I said previously, the construction of the pipleline are only temporary jobs. Once the constitutions is complete, assuming everything else is equal, those jobs will disappear. Most of the jobs maintaining the pipeline will be in Canada.

Your argument would make sense if we had a command economy. Since we don't, this is pure hogwash.

Temporary tax rates and the uncertainty of what the tax rates would be in the future, higher or lower, held up investment. Now, investment is held up because of the uncertainty of the consumer, both government and private sector.

Broad based tax cuts do not help the economy overall. This was especially true during the Bush years where we had borad based lower tax rates for the upper income tazpayers, high debts, and a economy that was mixed with only construction and housing keeping it afloat. When that fell, so idid the economy.

Just his policies?

Mitt Romney ran a private equity firm. Private equity firm's true nature is to break to busineses up to maximize profits for the equity firm and its investors. Romney did that job pretty well. But private equity firms do not grow the economy, they make the economy more efficient.


But running a business is not like running a government where profit is the sole motivating factor. And the President has little to do with how our economy runs. Setting goals or priorities is what government does, but it is still up to the businesses to help achieve those priorities or goals in our economy. Thus, if you are going to blame the government, then you must also blame business as well.

 

Obamacare is an oppressive regulatory burden. Part time employees don't carry the Obama burden, full time does, Clear enough?

 

So you can't build it with 3 people? I don't doubt it, takes more then that to clear a few hundred acres, nevermind all the steel being used, the heavy machinery being employed etc... that is some big money.

You have no clue what private equity firms do.

About the tax uncertainty, uncertainty as to how high they would go, or how low they may go? Can the same be said of the uncertainty of Obamacare costs?

When I see business running with one leg tied to the other, and demeaned at every possible opportunity I wonder how much longer until you start doing some real damage to that golden goose.

 

Let me just check on your point. I think you're arguing that there are increased costs to employers of full time labour so they are putting people on reduced hours to avoid those costs? Is that correct?

 

That is what you consider a compelling argument?

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Not just increased costs, oppressively increased costs.

 

Just for clarification I'm responding to your contention that the ACA is increasing employer costs which is leading to reduced hours for employers so that they can avoid those costs. If I have you argument right I would ask for some evidence to support that claim.