Fast food employees walking out a good thing?

There is no reason why universal healthcare and a living wage cannot work in the US.

 

So what, it would lessen the profits.

So what, one has nothing to do with the other. How many investors do they have and what is the value of all the assets and how much sales did it take to make that profit. Employee pay is an expense and is paid for service rendered, they have no claim on profits.

Because you say they can, oh all the investors will remain invested at the lower profit just because you say so?

Tell you what why don't you start opening franchises and paying all your employees $15 an hour?

 

There is no reason why it should, we're better off without either. Free market, freedom and liberty, individual initiative are what produce prosperity not government mandates and government programs to transfer wealth and income.

 

Oh, more of that "american exceptionalism" crap that Putin warned about. Free market drives healthcare prices up to where only the wealthy can afford it. If you cannot see how unethical that is then you have been compromised.

 

I believe we should be moral enough to bear true witness to our own federal doctrine regarding employment at will.

 

For myself? Sure. For a corporation? NEVER .

 

Now there's the biggest crock of sheet to hit these forums in a couple hours. If you do the right things? LOL Yeah right. That's a laugh.

 

Not so easy to do but, Amen! I'm boycotting them whenever possible. Walmart tops my list. BP is another. ChikaFila is another. Any corporation that outsources or pays poorly I try to steer clear of. Sometimes you have no choice to buy corporate but, I'm working on eliminating them as much as possible.

 

Corporations don't create a lot of the jobs. Home Depot didn't enter a void. There used to be a privately owned lumber yard in most every town. Depot pushed them out of business. So the same jobs just transfer to a different employer.

Not that I care. My point, simply, was that people who hate corporations should start shopping local at the little mom and pop stores. Walk the walk, if you're gonna talk the talk...

 

Impossible. High demand drives prices up. The rich aren't a large enough buyer of healthcare services to drive demand up.

So, if healthcare prices are rising, then that means that more and more people are receiving healthcare services.

Your argument is self-defeating. Illogical.

And I think this really hits on the problem with so many of these issues. The ignorance of the general public to the facts at hand. The facts of life.

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Absolutely.

Live a good clean life. Get married. Work hard. Save your money.

Everything will turn out fine.

 

I believe UI should be paid for through corporate taxation whenever there is any rate of unemployment above one percent.

 

Wealth isn't distributed at all. People who create more, people who invest more, people who save more, are the ones who are wealthy. The people who create less wealth, people who consume their wealth, people invest no wealth, are the people who are poor.

I personally have more money to my name than many people who have much larger incomes than I do. I have a thousand dollars in the bank, I have thousands of dollars in stock mutual funds. Not tens of thousands, but given the fact that I have never in my entire life to this point, earned more than $20,000 in any given year, and last year only $12,000, I have way more wealth than some people who earn double what I do.

Similarly Michael Jackson earned over $500 Million dollars in his life time. The year before MJ died, he was selling off his property, and on the verge of bankruptcy. I guess MJ was screwed over by the wealth distribution? Or maybe he just consumed everything he earned, resulting in him being poor and bankrupt.

Here's the problem. I call it the difference between the Pinball people, and the Beer Pong people. I got this from Warren Buffet. Buffet in high school, saved up money he earned from a job, and invested in the purchase of a Pinball Machine, which he then placed in a local business where it generated more wealth, while providing a service of entertainment. What do most people do in high school? When I was in high school, you didn't save up money. You bought a keg of beer, and went to some guys house, whose parents were not home, and played beer pong all night, pissing your money down the drain. Pinball people become wealthy. Beer Pong people stay poor.

No one came to Buffet and said "The Department of Utility Redistribution (DUR for short....), has decided to distribute wealth to you Warren Buffet!" Nor did the 'CEO Counsel of Wealth Distributors' show up and bestow wealth on Buffet.

No what happened, isn't all the magical, isn't a government program, isn't a secret conspiracy of the rich. It's actually really simple. Buffet "earned", "saved", and "invested". Result? He's wealthy.

Most wealthy people, get wealthy this way. I could list you dozens of examples. Robertson, earned money at a low wage bar job. He saved up resources to make duck callers. He invested in trying to sell those duck callers everywhere he could. No one 'distributed' wealth to Robertson, and when he first started walking into stores, trying to sell his duck callers, some stores literally laughed at him, and walked him out the front door. Now Robertson is a millionaire, and has his own TV show, Duck Dynasty, which is still running.

It's not magic. It's determination, earnest work, and wisely saving and investing. The wealthy people, are wealthy because they do this. Lazy, foolish people, are poor, because they don't stick with it, work lazily, and spend their money foolishly.

This is why 80% of all people who win a million dollars from the lottery, are bankrupt in 5 years. You give a lazy foolish person money, and they do with it, the same thing they do with all the money they have.... flush it away playing beer pong, buying expensive cars they can't maintain, buying tons of crap they don't need. Then the money is gone, and they are surprised they are broke. There's even a guy in I think Kentucky? (not sure) who won the lottery TWICE, and went bankrupt.... TWICE. That's why the wealthy are wealthy, and the poor are poor.

Even if you demanded that all the wealth form the top 10% of people in the US, was all confiscated, and dolled out to the bottom 10% of people, in 10 years time, the poor would be right back being poor, and the rich would gain back all their wealth, because the poor consume and flush away their money, and the rich save and invest their money. It's as simple as that.

I would agree. Every wealthy society, at some point reaches a time where the lazy and arrogant people topple the system by demanding free handouts, resulting in them being even poorer, while the rich leave and make another country wealthy. It's happened hundreds of times in history. It will happen again, and I would guess it will happen in the US. At some point the lazy people demand circuses and bread from Rome, and the entire Republic collapses into a dictatorship of the Caesars, and the civilization declines and declines until the greatest society in human history, is nothing more than a memory.

Venezuela used to be the Envy of Latin America. They led south America in resource and a stable, strong and growing economy, with the highest standards of living in Latin America. But... they weren't happen. They were angry and demand more government handouts, and shaking their fist at the rich.

Now, the rich have left, taking their jobs with them. Food shortages constant across the country, power outages are frequent and long, and the economy is not the worst performing economy in all of Latin America. But.... They got their reforms! They got the "Hope and Change" they wanted! They sure stuck it to the rich wealthy elite! They sure showed them...... idiots.

 

Which would..... force more businesses to close... which would force more people unemployment.... which would force more taxes.... which would force more businesses to close..... which would force more people on unemployment.

The reason why businesses lay people off, is because they are in fiscal trouble, either by lack of customers, or inability to make a profit. In either case, the last thing you need is to be hammered with a spike in unemployment compensation tax, at the very moment you are in a fiscal pinch.

It would be like having a new plan to tax people who are not working. So right when you lose your job, you are smashed with a tax bill. That kind of logic, is what you are proposing on corporations.

Now it is true that some major corporations that are profitable, are not going to be harmed. But the smaller corporations, will. In effect, like all government programs and taxes, the net result is a benefit to the mega corporations, and hammers small business. The small businesses are the ones that will be driven out of business by this tax. So while you will get more money from large profitable corporations, you will be protecting them from new startups that don't have the funds to handle a tax bill from an economic down turn. Rich get Richer, and Poor get Poorer.

 

Yeah.... but the reason people don't go to those mom&pop shops, is because they are more expensive, and or have a smaller selection of goods.

And it's not the same job either. Mom and Pop shops never pay as well as major corporate jobs. It's kind of like complaining because the corporate store doesn't charge enough, pays too much, and has far too many products people want. How dare they.....

 

Absolutely NOT. Save money? How? Nobody pays well and there's nothing to save.

 

Big corporations and the fed govt pay well. You're just on the wrong side of the fence.

 

I am trying to figure out a way to get corporate welfare and a million dollar bonus, instead of developing any form of lottery mentality as a privilege and immunity in modern times.

 

Sure they do. Sure there is.

Stop being such a Debbie Downer...

 

maybe instead of buying that brand new iphone 5.... they buy a 45$ straight talk phone and save the difference towards.... I don't know, job training or tuition to a community college.


instead of new nikes every year... make the old ones last another.
instead of cable tv, don't


lots of economic choices on the part of the minimum wage person need to be made LONG before we start taking from those who made the right decisions in life.

 

I believe you may be confusing being poor, with being in poverty. Simply being poor does not preclude market friendly activity in our Institution of money based markets, being in poverty (of money) does preclude that form of market friendliness toward markets.

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Rational choice theory provides fewer rational choices with only an intermittent income.

 

These are people who need pictures to ring in an order, can't we just tell them they are being paid more?

 

I believe it is more rational, to correct for a natural rate of unemployment through unemployment compensation and let the market for labor reach a new equilibrium.

 

Nonsense.

 

Actually, I worked in the support end of POS for some time. Those "pictures" were all mandated by the companies that made the POS system itself. Why? Because they WANTED only cheap, "not so smart" people to use them. They want the system foolproof, so they can't be "cheated", and have to rely on trusting a more sophisticated system involving more user interaction. They know idiots will be running the systems (and they know that because they aren't ever planning to pay anybody anything to run them, so they want them as simple as possible. Hence, the "pictures"). So don't blame that on the worker too. That, like everything, is a "big boy" fat cat decision from the get go.

 

No, I'll keep blaming the workers for needing to use pictures to ring in orders. Unless they suffer some sort of disability, in which case we should be praising businesses for employing the disabled, being skill less and near illiterate is a personal failing.

But I've never seen anyone truly disabled working at a McDonald's. Adults working there seem to have made some poor life choices.