Tell the Truth about Judaism

nah, the experience of a bigot, teaching children that they are 'chosen ones' by god based on a birth right, is what makes a hate brew for the swine of sissyville. As soon as a group of people begins to believe that they are better than another, they WILL become a target, no matter the generations of history.

as for your comment:

Cut n paste'n, is just to summarize the quotes, versus having to spell out everything. I am an example of someone that has read a hugenormous amount of the full literary works but even I will use direct line items to reduce the ambiguties.

For example: matt 16;20 Then did he charge his disciples that they may say to no one that he is Jesus the Christ

i didnt say it. Who said it? Would he tell people to lie? Wouldnt he want people to know, if he was? What does a god have to hide from, if he was a 'god' or a christ?

I can understand why a 'christ' would not want anyone to see him as a 'god', simply because the idiots would expect magic and miracles and they dont exist.




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must be talking to someone else

 

stop trolling. I never said they were "Jewish genes". I said they are genes that Jews have in higher proportions than most other ethnic groups.

learn the difference, my ignorant friend.

you're such a bigoted troll.

 

and i will quote you

there are genes that Jews to have at a higher percentage than other ethnic groups.

its called the J1E, J2AM, RM17.

these genes show a high percentage in Jews. They are the so-called "Jewish genes".

they prove common ancestry amound certain Jews.



I guess i left out the ish

So is the concept of the 'nose' identified with Jews have in higher proportions than most other ethnic groups. The Doma tribe have 2 toed feet and I am a polock with a gazillian jokes that follow me.

the difference is that I can read and learn

some just dont wanna

I am trying to keep the truth in line with the thread title.

You apparently dont like what is real, no matter what I have to say.

 

there is no such thing as the "Jewish nose".

there is no specific nose shape that Jews tend to have more than other peoples.

this is just more bigotry from you.

 

there are certain sects that believe that the bible is the inerrant word of god, and then there are sects that believe that the bible is a collection of allegories, parables, and essentially a compendium of human wisdom of the age.

For instance, the Roman Catholic Church accepts evolution as scientifically valid and that it is consistent with God the Creator. They most definitely reject the literal interpretation of "shaped man from the soil". They accept that the 7 days of creation in the bible is metaphoric and accept that the earth is billions of years old.

In fact, it is only a very small % of christians and jews that believe that the bible is the literal truth and literal word of god.

Unfortunately the same cannot be said for Islam. I remain hopeful for an Islamic reformation sometime within this century.

 

Its disgusting how jews view goyim.
Its disgusting how christians view jews and muslims and hindi and sikhs and all other non christians.
Its disgusting how roman catholics view mormons
Its disgusting how muslims view infidels
Its disgusting how hindis view muslims

Its disgusting how white power pinheads view non-whites.

Its also pretty damn disgusting how self righteous jew haters don't see how absolutely hypocritical and intellectually bankrupt they truly are.

 

That's interesting, and confirms my contention that religions are rife with hypocrites who are content to make it up as they go. I'm surprised that the Catholic church supports the allegory/metaphor angle, especially as their god specifically forbids any interpretation of his words as written in the bible, other than literally. If I can find the relevant verse I'll post it.

 

Snakes you stated:

"Right; so essentially what you're telling us is that the 'word of god' (which, remember, is the truth and immutable, because god said so), can be interpreted in whichever way suits your current narrative."

No I never stated that or suggested it. What I stated was Judaism does not interpret the passages of the Old Testament as having only one meaning. However what you are stating is that you believe only one interpretation can be derived from the Bible and you believe it was written by God. In so doing you express a fundamentalist Christian approach to reading the Bible.

"Perhaps you'll show us the relevant passage in the Bible which permits this."

Why? Your question assumes the Bible is the primary source of how to interpret Judaism. It is not. In fact the relevant passages describing how to read the Bible or approach Judaism using the Bible as a guide come from Rabbinical essays, Talmud passages and constant discussions between Jews as to how we should read and understand not just the Bible, but the Talmud, Rabbinical essays, the Kabala, etc.

The Bible is not the sole reference for how to be a Jew and pursue being a Jew as a faith belief. You assume it is. Also I am not here to show you anything nor do I interpret the Bible as a tool to tell you what to do or not to do. You assume I do because that is how you use the Bible. In my approach to Judaism and religion I do not believe the Bible was intended to be used as you do to tell others how to think or believe and most Christians and Jews in this modern era would agree with me. We are not interested in using any holy book as a weapon to impose our views and therefore spread intolerance for other views.

You mistake me for a fundamentalist Christian who would use the Bible in such a manner to preach the good word. Judaism does not permit such an exercise. It states each individual must come to their own conclusions as how to worship God and interpret the Bible. No one human, Jew or non Jew has a monopoly on what is truth or what they would think God thinks or desires.

I speak only for myself when I state I simply consider the Bible no differently than I would Aseop's fables. It has stories to help explain concepts but I do not consider these concepts divine-just simply essays written by people which were re-written many times over and had much of their original context edited out in the re-writes. Many Christians would agree with me not just atheists.

You stated:

" Claiming "allegory" is a convenient tactic when either the frankly absurd or uncomfortable parts are mentioned. "

That is your opinion. Allegories are a common tool of poets, writers, teachers, philosophers to help make difficult or complex concepts easier to understand. You would of course have to ask each writer why they use allegories. Maybe some are uncomfortable with the topics they raise but it is illogical for you to assume allegories are only used in the manner you suggested. You again assume and project your assumption of what allegories are used for is the only one. In Judaism meaning is supposed to be constantly upgraded, reformed, challenged, changed because thought is seen as a fluid movement that constantly changes in shape as it evolves. You have this idea that if a thought is not rigid, fixed and never changes, then and only then is it legitimate.

In fact I could easily argue that people who are static or rigid and inflexible in their beliefs like you and can only see one possible version of a concept are in fact afraid of the grey between the black and white. I could argue you are uncomfortable with the concept of being creative and constantly seeing more than one meaning because that would appear chaotic and therefore threatening to you. I could argue your fundamentalism is a form of neurosis, an insecurity brought on by feeling uncomfortable and needing to make your world less threatening. And so?

You stated:

"Try again, because the word of god, as you well know, is not open for semantic squabbling or debate. "

Why would I well know that-because you said so? I was taught precisely that the word of God is open and should always remain open to constant debate and that no one man or woman knows for sure or can say absolutely what God thinks but can only express what they think God thinks. I was taught that as a basic precept of Judaism and I choose to follow it today not because I am necessarily a Jew, but because I came to that conclusion for myself based om my free thought.

You then state:

"It is what it is; accept his words as written for the truth or be labelled a hypocrite.Your choice."

Your above statement is illogical. If the word has only one meaning given to us, then there would be no choice. More to the point the above comment reflects a Christian fundamentalist approach to how to read the Bible. It does not reflect the way modern Christians or Jews follow the Bible. Even the most fundamentalist of Jews struggle to try understand the supposed desires or thoughts of God. There is no vehicle in Judaism that would ever suggest one Jew knows absolutely what God wants or desires. Only God is said to know that.

We do not have a Christ figure who allegedly speaks for God and tells us what God thinks.

You stated:

"If you want to discuss peeling onions, join a cookery forum."

Tee hee. Clearly you want to lecture me though that if I do not follow your approach to interpreting the Bible you will mock me.

You concluded by stating:

"And, by the way, I eschew all religions, whatever their origins might be."

Of course you do. Its clear you pursue a fundamentalist Christian approach to the Bible. Why you deny that I do not know.

 

Your comments made no point other then that you repeated a negative stereotype about many but repeated it twice about Jews.

If your point was to insult Jews by using negative stereotypes and presumptions about them then you succeeded but all it does is lower you to a hateful person engaged in expressing hate.

So in fact all you have proven is you are a hateful bigot.

Why did you just not state: " I hate Jews".Would have been a hell of a lot easier.

 

The Talmud in fact does not do the above, just the opposite. In fact the Talmud states that the religions of non Jews are to be respected equally to the religious views Jews may have. This is precisely why Jews are not supposed to convert like Christians and Muslims. For someone to convert to Judaism they are supposed to do it on their own free choice.

Instead of misrepresenting the Talmud why don't you find one and read it and no I am not about to read out the passages to you that contradict what you said-I know the game of coming on this or any forum and fabricating Talmud quotes as a pretext to engage in inflammatory statements against Jews. I am not about to provide a quote to you only to have you ignore it and/or ridicule it.

If anyone out there actually does want the info, the following web-site www.talmud.faithweb.com contains all the false quotes ascribed to the Talmud and debunks them.

The false Talmud quotes that re-surface on this forum used as a pretext to engage in anti-Semitic name calling and flaming on the forum come from the Stormfront neo Nazi web-site which picked them up from the Syrian Ministry of Communications in the early 1950's which took them from ex Nazis who worked for Goebbels the Nazi propaganda Minister.

He in turn recycled them from what is believed to be Russian sources but most if not all these false quotes have been circulate by the Christian churches in Europe and in particular East Europe for centuries.

Legitimate Christian Theologians teach that Jesus taught the Talmud and that much of Christian doctrine is found in the Talmud. The Talmud is a book that commences debate on how to approach the laws of human behaviour. It is only a starting point in discussion. It is meant to be read along with Rabinnical essays, the Bible, the Kabala. It is not a stand alone book of law and it is supposed to be used as a guideline to fuel on-going debate and constant changes to how laws are applied.

 

I also thank and defer to Karma's knowledge of the Talmud and the other thread participants who have tried to respond to the anti-Semitic taunts without degrading themselves. You are role models for me.

 

i made direct quotes from the Talmud.

non-Jews are viewed and treated as less than Jews.

 

1. I thought my point was rather clear. In EVERY RELIGION'S dogma wrt other religions one can find excoriations, rejections and condemnations. I was merely pointing out that this position is not exclusive to any single reglion as the OP would have us believe.

2. I did not twice insult jews. I suggest you read posts with a tad more care.

3. You are correct, I am a hateful bigot. Stick around and you will find that I hate (in no particular order) Islamists and religious extremists of all stripes, jew haters, neo-nazis, white power pinheads, commies, your run of the mill bigots and paedophiles. If you examine my list you will find that with the exception of kiddie diddlers, I am bigoted against certain ideologies and hatreds. In other words I am bigoted against certain people who choose to be the way they are. Accidents of birth such as race, ethnicity or nationality are mostly irrelevant to me.

4. I use the term "jew hater" as a more specific substitute for anti-semite. It seems that the jew haters around here would like to argue that since semites are speakers of some variant of the semitic languages the term anti-semite, coined in the 19th century to describe hatred against jews and generally accepted by those with above room temperature IQs, is inaccurate and meaningless. As a newbie, you ain't seen nuthin' yet.

 

What is it with Paultards and their hating on the Jews all the time?

 

I apologize. I probably read your post wrong. I have no issues with anyone who can't stand anyone. I prefer animals myself.

 

No you did not and no we do not view gentiles as lesser humans. If someone views you as a lesser human its not
because you are a gentile-its probably the hatred you advocate.

Look you want to engage in false quotes and misrepresenting the Talmud go ahead. Knock yourself out with this
baiting. The more comments you make the more foolish you render your comments.

 

sure I did. I followed the OP with direct quotes from the Talmud, in this post

 

You again misquote actual comments and take others out of context.

In response to your assertion that the Talmud states gentiles are of less value than humans you are absolutely wrong and I refer to:

http://talmud.faithweb.com/articles/man.html

http://talmud.faithweb.com/articles/man2.html

and specifically in response to your false assertions above:

http://talmud.faithweb.com/articles/theft.html

The Talmud forbids lying to gentiles:

http://talmud.faithweb.com/articles/cheat.html

The Talmud forbids killing gentiles:

http://talmud.faithweb.com/articles/kill.html


Everyone of your false miquotes and assertions have been debunked and can be found at:


http://talmud.faithweb.com/

http://talmud.faithweb.com/articles/intro.html


These attempt to misquote the Talmud of give it false meanings is proving what other than you went to the Stormfront web-site and picked up
its false quote poison pen comments on the Talmud?

Do you think you are establisging your credibility by misquoting the Talmud?

Do you really think that you can go to a hate site, repeat what that hate site says, and that makes you an authority on the Talmud and Judaism?

What an absurd exercise.

There are Talmudic scholars who have spent their entire lives debating the meaning of the Talmud-but you think going on a hate web site and repeating it renders you an authority.

If it weren't so hateful it would be laughable. What an absurd attempt to establish your credentials as an authority on the Talmud's meaning.

You would have people believe that I and other Jews sit around planning to steal and kill and molest Jews because you went to a hate site that says the Talmud says I can?

I think its time you move on. The false Talmud exercise you have engaged in has established no platform for you to rationalize your hatred of Jews and/or Israel-what it does do however is illustrate how people like you will use the pretext of discussion about Israeli policies to incite hatred against Jews.

 

I put him and a couple of obvious others on ignore a month ago and life is so so sweet without having to read his unintellectual turds of hate.