First Putin Snubs Obama, Now Iran....

OK, I've read the Bible... now, tell me what it is about the messianic concept (any messianic concept) that you find in conflict with what I wrote.... As far as Israel goes, who knows? Tell you what, though -- I'll gladly send you a money order for a hundred dollars for each documented nuclear bomb Israel has, or, even each documented nuclear bomb test Israel has conducted. One thing is for sure: neither in the 1967 War, nor in the 1973 War, which the surrounding Arab nations conducted against Israel did Israel use nuclear weapons. Even though facing imminent, total annihilation, why do you think that might be...?

Yes, you are right, Margot. And it is exactly this Shi'a Islamo-Nazi mob that rules Iran today through its theocracy! And, if some Shi'a zealot showed up in Mecca raising hell about anything it wouldn't surprise me a bit that the Sunni Moslems who control Saudi Arabia would shoot him "dead on the spot", and I wish them continued good hunting for all the others, too!

 

Why are you focused on the word Messiah?

Israel neither admits not denies they have nuclear weapons how would you like documentation on something they deny? What source would suffice considering they wont sign the NPT and they sure as hell wont let inspectors in.

 

Why shouldn't Iran have nuclear weapons? They only need six large ones. We should sell them some of ours since we don't use them anyway.

 

No they don't and that's because the only leftwingers still believing in Obama are the bitter dead-enders who will go to their graves believing that Obama was a great man and a fantastic president who just somehow never got a fair deal. But the truth being that great men and fantastic presidents MAKE their fair deals happen.

A genuinely great president doesn't constantly screw up and then spend all his time pointing at the previous president while whining that, "It's all his fault!"

 

When was the last time an Iranian president met with a US president? Oh yea...back in the Carter days. And where do you get your "Politically, the US doesn't announce it has offered to have an encounter with a country like Iran unless it's been assured it will happened,"

You state that like it's fact when in reality that was pretty much just media speculation.

Sure, you hate Obama, but don't make up sh$t OK?

 

McPalin & Romney would have bombe bombed the Soviet Union & Iran by now before going-in with boots on the ground like Bush neocons as thier contribution to humanity ... why let good graveyards go to waste.

 

Grow up. When you do, get back to me.

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Hate trolling again I see.

 

You accuse way2convey of "making up sh$t", but please tell us when and where it was that President Jimmy Carter met with an Iranian president! You can't, can you...? Now, who's "making up sh$t"?

"Ignorance can be remedied with knowledge, but stupidity has no cure...."

 

Would a meeting with the Shah count?

 

Of course not! That would be like asking if a meeting with Hitler would count the same as meeting with any leader in the post-war Bundesrepublik Deutschland (Federal Republic of Germany). Think about it.... Moreover, there was no "President" of Iran until the Shah (a dictator) was overthrown in February 1979. It was a totally different reality after the Iranian Revolution, with totally different people running Iran after that! And those are the people that are running Iran to this very day!

 

In the overall context of Islam, the "messiah" reference is to the "12th Imam Mahdi". This person/deity/whatever is described as "the ultimate savior of mankind": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_al-Mahdi

Israel denies that they have nuclear weapons, but you are certain that they do? All I asked you for was your proof while reminding you that even when Israel was threatened with extinction in 1967 and 1973, it did not use any of this suspected nuclear weapons stockpile against the host of Arab enemy nations arrayed against them, and which could have overrun them in a day. Why do you suppose that is? Hint: Is it maybe because they never had any nuclear weapons to begin with ...?

 

A dictator we placed in power.

 

I suggest you look into the British and French "aid" in the form of nuclear tech......

6] Mordechai Vanunu, a former Israeli nuclear technician, provided explicit details and photographs to the London Sunday Times of a nuclear weapons program[17] in which he had been employed for nine years, "including equipment for extracting radioactive material for arms production and laboratory models of thermonuclear devices."[18]

Israel's first Prime Minister David Ben-Gurion was "nearly obsessed" with obtaining nuclear weapons to prevent the Holocaust from recurring. He stated, "What Einstein, Oppenheimer, and Teller, the three of them are Jews, made for the United States, could also be done by scientists in Israel, for their own people".[19] Ben-Gurion decided to recruit Jewish scientists from abroad even before the end of the 1948 Arab–Israeli War that established Israel's independence. He and others, such as head of the Weizmann Institute of Science and defense ministry scientist Ernst David Bergmann, believed and hoped that Jewish scientists such as Oppenheimer and Teller would help Israel.[20]

The French justified their decision to provide Israel a nuclear reactor by claiming it was not without precedent. In September 1955 Canada publicly announced that it would help the Indian government build a heavy-water research reactor, the CIRUS, for "peaceful purposes".[31] When Egyptian President Gamal Abdel Nasser nationalized the Suez Canal, France proposed Israel attack Egypt and invade the Sinai as a pretext for France and Britain to invade Egypt posing as "peacekeepers" with the true intent of seizing the Suez Canal (see Suez Crisis). In exchange, France would provide the nuclear reactor as the basis for the Israeli nuclear weapons program. Shimon Peres, sensing the opportunity on the nuclear reactor, accepted. On September 17, 1956, Peres and Bergmann reached a tentative agreement in Paris for the CEA to sell Israel a small research reactor. This was reaffirmed by Peres at the Protocol of Sèvres conference in late October for the sale of a reactor to be built near Dimona and for a supply of uranium fuel.[32][20]

Mollet's successor Maurice Bourgès-Maunoury stated "I gave you [Israelis] the bomb in order to prevent another Holocaust from befalling the Jewish people and so that Israel could face its enemies in the Middle East."[20]

Six of seven members of the Israel Atomic Energy Commission promptly resigned, protesting that the reactor was the precursor to "political adventurism which will unite the world against us".[36]

By the late 1950s Shimon Peres had established and appointed a new intelligence service assigned to search the globe and clandestinely secure technology, materials and equipment needed for the program, by any means necessary. The new service would eventually be named LEKEM (pronounced LAKAM, the Hebrew acronym for ‘Science liaison Bureau&#8217. Peres appointed IDF Internal Security Chief, Benjamin Blumberg, to the task. As head of the LEKEM, Blumberg would rise to become a key figure in Israel’s intelligence community, coordinating agents’ world wide and securing the crucial components for the program.[38][39][40][41]

Top secret British documents[46][47] obtained by BBC Newsnight show that Britain made hundreds of secret shipments of restricted materials to Israel in the 1950s and 1960s. These included specialist chemicals for reprocessing and samples of fissile material—uranium-235 in 1959, and plutonium in 1966, as well as highly enriched lithium-6, which is used to boost fission bombs and fuel hydrogen bombs.[48] The investigation also showed that Britain shipped 20 tons of heavy water directly to Israel in 1959 and 1960 to start up the Dimona reactor.[49] The transaction was made through a Norwegian front company called Noratom, which took a 2% commission on the transaction. Britain was challenged about the heavy water deal at the International Atomic Energy Agency after it was exposed on Newsnight in 2005. British Foreign Minister Kim Howells claimed this was a sale to Norway. But a former British intelligence officer who investigated the deal at the time confirmed that this was really a sale to Israel and the Noratom contract was just a charade.[50] The Foreign Office finally admitted in March 2006 that Britain knew the destination was Israel all along.[51] Israel admits running the Dimona reactor with Norway's heavy water since 1963. French engineers who helped build Dimona say the Israelis were expert operators, so only a relatively small portion of the water was lost during the years since the reactor was first put into operation.[52]

A CIA report from early 1967 stated that Israel had the materials to construct a bomb in six to eight weeks[56] and some authors suggest that Israel had two crude bombs ready for use during the war.[25] According to US journalist Seymour Hersh, everything was ready for production at this time save an official order to do so. Another CIA report from 1968 states that "...Israel might undertake a nuclear weapons program in the next several years.

By 1969, U.S. Defense Secretary Melvin Laird believed that Israel might have a nuclear weapon that year.[61][62] Later that year, U.S. President Richard Nixon in a meeting with Israeli Prime Minister Golda Meir pressed Israel to "make no visible introduction of nuclear weapons or undertake a nuclear test program", so maintaining a policy of nuclear ambiguity.[63] Before the Yom Kippur War Peres nonetheless wanted Israel to publicly demonstrate its nuclear capability to discourage an Arab attack, and fear of Israeli nuclear weapons may have discouraged Arab military strategy during the war from being as aggressive as it could have been.[25]

The CIA believed that Israel's first bombs may have been made with highly enriched uranium stolen in the mid-1960s from the U.S. Navy nuclear fuel plant operated by the Nuclear Materials and Equipment Corporation, where sloppy material accounting would have masked the theft.[64

By 1974 U.S. Intelligence believed Israel had stockpiled a small number of fission weapons,[66] and by 1979 were perhaps in a position to test a more advanced small tactical nuclear weapon or thermonuclear weapon trigger design.[67]

The CIA believed that the number of Israeli nuclear weapons stayed from 10 to 20 from 1974 until the early 1980s.[2] Vanunu's information in October 1986 said that based on a reactor operating at 150 megawatts and a production of 40 kg of plutonium per year, Israel had 100 to 200 nuclear devices. Vanunu revealed that between 1980 and 1986 Israel attained the ability to build thermonuclear weapons.[68] By the mid 2000s (decade) estimates of Israel's arsenal ranged from 75 to 400 nuclear warheads.[2][3]

In 1991 alone, as the Soviet Union dissolved, nearly 20 top Jewish Soviet scientists reportedly emigrated to Israel, some of whom had been involved in operating nuclear power plants and planning for the next generation of Soviet reactors. In September 1992, German intelligence was quoted in the press as estimating that 40 top Jewish Soviet nuclear scientists had emigrated to Israel since 1989.[70]

You were saying?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapons_and_Israel

 

You are right! And, when we choose to mess around with these third-world pisspots the dictators we install are the best kind. A grandiose clown like the Shah of Iran was is infinitely preferable to a dangerous gaggle of ******* Islamo-Nazis who want to wield nuclear weapons and start a world war to pave the way for the return of the "12th Imam of Mahdi". Nothing against Islam particularly, you see -- I don't any bunch of hyper-religious crazy bastards getting their hands on nukes! Have a lovely weekend!

 

I wasn't saying anything. I was asking for verification concerning this nuclear weapons cache that Israel is in possession of, according to you.

Remember Saddam Hussein? He did a great job of scaring the hell out of the Iranians for a good long time by pretending he had "weapons of mass destruction", remember? But when the U. S. Armed Forces came barging into Iraq during the 2003 invasion, how many WMD's did they actually find...?

Hell, I don't know if Israel has nukes or not, and neither do you. Your lengthy cut-and-paste puts forth a possible theory, and it may be true. It may not be true. But I remember both the 1967 and 1973 Arab-Israeli wars. They were very quick-paced, very energetic, and Israel was right on the brink of being overrun by the Arabs on several occasions. It's my "theory" (also unproven) that if Israel had had, say, even tactical nuclear weapons, they would have used them!

But, so far, to date, Israel has never been proven to have nukes, has never conducted a nuclear weapons test, and has never used a nuclear weapon against an adversary.

Now, why don't we argue about something else, like which Oktoberfest Bier is best...? We ain't never gonna settle this Israeli nuke thing....

 

Saddam used Chemical Weapons against Iran and we turned our back to it. I have shown far more evidence that Israel has then them you can show that Iran is working on or has them but yet you have called for strikes against Iran previously have you not?

Did you even read the links? Our own CIA thought Israel had crude weapons in he time frame you used. Perhaps they were not confident in them yet. You are talking 40 years ago ffs. Are you suggesting with some of the top scientists in the world and the thought they needed them that Israel hasnt been able to make them but yet Iran under sanctions and without the help of the British nor the French is minutes away? ( and has been for almost 15 or so years if you believe Ben Yahoo)

 

And who he is really committed to.

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The left never go farther than their leader's speeches.

 

Tell the people of Iran how great the Shah was with a police force we helped train ~ I'm sure they didnt have many "lovely weekends".

Buddy you speak about hyper-religious crazy bastards getting their hands on nukes??? Its been going on for decades.. HERE.

 

I'm not defending the Shah of Iran or any of the other dozens of despots and client governments we've set up and funded. Hell, we backed Saddam Hussein in his war against Iran, too, remember? Nobody's hands are "clean", including those of the old Soviet Union, and it would be laughably naive to think so. It's all a matter of who controls what. I wish that it weren't so, but as they say, "Raise one hand in the air to wish with, and put the other hand under your naked ass -- and see which one gets full first!"

However "crazy" you may think that we and the other current owners of nuclear weapons are, you must admit one thing: since the end of World War II, none of us (NONE) has used a nuclear weapon on another country for any reason, no matter how tempting it might have been to do so.

Iran? With a bunch of certifiably insane Shi'a Mullahs in charge like Iran has, pining away for the arrival of the 12th Imam Mahdi and the end of the world? I'm absolutely tooth-set against any bunch of Islamo-Nazis of that stripe being in possession of anything more sophisticated than scimitars -- because that's the level of technologies their medieval mentalities are capable of using without upsetting the delicate, imperfect balance of power(s) in the world....

 

Peggy Noonan digs into this laughing stock, Obama. No names but many unattributed statements that make perfect sense after Scumbag-in-Chief dicked up Syria.

He's a joke. My country is a joke. I am ashamed in every way of the childish citizenry that would re-elect such an incompetent fool.

America COULD survive Obama. America cannot survive an electorate that would re-elect him. We are doomed.

 

You always make excuses... Since the end WW2 indeed.... Who was the one who used them before them end of the war? Hmmm? What gives us the right to threaten anyone else and imply anyone else is just jumping at the chance to use them when WE GOT THEM WE USED THEM.

 

If you really think that the U. S. should have sustained another estimated 500,000 casualties by invading Japan in 1946 instead of using the atomic bomb and ending the war in 1945, then there is nothing I can say that will convince you that this was the right thing to do, as awful as it was. Oh, and it is estimated that by doing this, Truman may have also saved between 2,000,000 and 5,000,000 Japanese lives, too.

If you want religious fanatic Islamo-Nazis to have hydrogen bombs, then go right on electing and re-electing inept, naive nothings to the American presidency, like Comrade Obama. You'll get your wish!

 

I share your despair, American's have been duped, twice. But America doomed.....I'm not there, at least not yet. There's positive signs in many states and there are plenty of conservative voices still being heard. If good things happen in the '14 election, then hopefully we can right the ship, or least keep it from crashing into the rocks of socialism. But, if the election goes bad, I may join the "doomed" chorus.

 

So now you think i support Obama? Desperation man.... Must defend bible. Must defend bible! Must defend bible...!!!!

All while calling OTHERS religious fanatics....