If Obamacare succeeds, what happens to the Republican party?

That is EXACTLY what would happen. If/when ACA is successful, you will see the Republicans/Conservatives double speak on it as if it was their idea. They'll say something to the effect " we didn't repeal ACA, even though we tried many times, because we recognized the need for America to have healthcare..."

 

The GOPers WOULD NOT have passed their version of health care reform in such a way as to resemble Obamacare. You must know that much regarding reality . . . if nothing else.

 

Nothing. They'll blame the Republicans for interfering and their voters will eat it up and the media will goose step along like they have since 08. Obama has been doing that the day he entered office. Why would it change? When your success relies on an uninformed public, its best to keep them as dumb as possible. Its the Democrat way and its its working like a charm.

 

To be fair to Obama they didn't want to work with him since day one and have made his job much more difficult.

 

We consulted two well-regarded biographers of Roosevelt, H.W. Brands and Kathleen Dalton. Both confirmed that in 1912, when the former Republican president was running as a Progressive Party candidate for what would have been his third term (after a four-year break), the party advocated national health insurance in its platform .

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...goes-back-to-his-Republican-roots-on-health-/

 

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Failure, but at least he got to hand billions over to fake and failing energy companies.
Nothing like making friends of the rich.

He didn't.
They are worse off than if they just went through bankruptcy proceedings.
The news in Detroit has covered this a lot, and they are liberal papers.

They're home?
Did he "close gitmo on day one" too ?
ffs....

 

Shhhhhhhhh.

Remember. when it's a big success. It was all your idea.

 

One day, hopefully, people will stop trying to make politics into a game where their side scores more points than the other.

Both sides are rot on some issues, both sides are wrong on others.

How can you leftists keep saying the Republican Party is dead and it was a huge victory.

51-47 is not a landslide.

 

Very true, but that's because Obama was bad mouthing and vilifying them before he even got elected, being rather snarky, from day 1. Its why he's not a leader. A leader understands you actually need people from the other side to want to work with you. He didn't understand this because he had no experience working with people he actually "needs". A law professor can command his students. A community organizer just tells people what to do. Sitting on boards as a trustee member is the same.

Obama did this ALL to himself.

 

"To be fair to Obama they didn't want to work with him since day one and have made his job much more difficult."

Taxcutter says:
Just as could be said of the Democrats in 2001.

"To be fair to Bush they didn't want to work with him since day one and made his job much more difficult."

What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

 

Absolute serious answer........they'll take credit for it.


Suddenly their "amnesia" from 1993 will be cured and they'll all remember that ACA is basically the "Republican alternative to Hillarycare" that guys like Chuck Grassley proposed.....and of course how it is "like the plan that REPUBLICAN Governor Mitt Romney created."

They'll all claim that they didn'tt vote for it, because "They wanted to fix the glitches but Obama wouldn't let them....but they supported the idea from the start."

Oh, eventually some "Paul Ryan" will come along in the 2030s or 2040s and try to turn it into a "voucher plan"....get a lot of Rightwing press....then quickly drop the issue when it is shown to be unpopular.

But that would be it.

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Did Democrats stop Dubya from invading Iraq for no good reason and killing 4000+ US soldiers?

 

85% of the country already had health insurance. Take away the illegal aliens and the college aged kids who would rather spend their money on iPhone apps, and we are left with a very tiny minority of people who wanted health insurance but couldn't get it. For that tiny minority to get health insurance the overwhelming majority of the country has to have their taxes increased, millions will lose their full time jobs and be forced into 29 hour per week jobs with no benefits, millions of people who would have gotten hired will not be hired due to employers cutting back their workforces in order to save costs, and the US will go trillions more into debt with this boondoggle of a program that is already projected to cost 3 times more than originally advertised.

This is going to be a disaster.

 

Which is another way of saying 15% of the population (1 out of 7 people) don't have health insurance. The trend has also been for a small but gradual rise in the percentage of American households not having health insurance.
Much of this change is connected to outsourcing and the increase in part-time jobs reducing the number of company-provided health insurance plans.

 

No. The Democrats are still around despite losing the gun control debate ever single time they try and bring it up.

 

The Democrats stopped GW Bush from rescinding the job-killing New Source Review program, ending the Department of Education,and enacting other needed reforms..

 

While I'm sure the left enjoys all the hopeful speculation of "what if?"....

If the plan is implemented as written... there is no danger of "success".

 

Most of this comprised of illegal aliens and people who voluntarily choose not to spend $200 a month on health insurance. For the small remainder left over, we have to raise their taxes, kill their full time jobs, and prevent millions of people from ever getting hired. Great plan.

Which ironically is one of the side-effects from threatening employers with Obamacare. Or maybe you think the dozens of companies who have already capped their employees at 29 hours a week was a random occurrence?

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But like their other failed entitlement programs, once it fails, it'll just get bigger and require more money.

 

Illegal aliens are not included in those numbers. As for those who "voluntarily" choose not to spend $200 dollars a month on health insurance (which is a rather low number, by the way), that's a big chunk of the family household budget for a poor and/or unemployed family.

 

Yes they are, and their children definitely are.

Those families are most likely already on Medicaid, so they're covered already.

 

Republicans have built a house of cards with all their lies and fear-mongering. In 2014, it will be difficult to maintain that house of cards as the bulk of the law is rolled out, so they've been desperate to kill the law before the people realize how full of **** they are.

http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2013-09-23/opinions/42323586_1_romneycare-obamacare-health-care

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2013/sep/24/top-16-myths-about-health-care-law/

 

No doubt ... Since the ACA doesn't go into effect until January 1, 2014 ... The only people that have benefited from it already are the politicians.

 

Talking bad about the opposition is standard politics. That doesn't give the Republicans the right to hold the U.S hostage time and time again.
Anyway, there was a sizable portion back then who kept ragging on him because they didn't think he was American. I can't really blame him for being snarky.

 

I think that the plan would be inefficient or wasteful even if it succeeds..because it tries to cover everyone..
Do really think that a healthy person should pay the same amount of money as someone who eats a lot of processed food rich in sugar and carbs, never exercises, smokes and drinks alcohol regularly.
Obama even said before he was a president, that if obesity rates were back to what they were in the 1980 then it would save America 1 trillion dollars.
Government healthcare should be more limited the way that the republicans propose..
I am not trying to adjudicate the dilemma
but covering everyone simply costs a lot,,and is unfair for the group that preserves its physical health.
A citizen who works hard will have to ackquiesce the burden in a form of a tax or higher fees.
The plan should be adjudged as being below the par and should be handled by the liberal party, no matter what acrimonious behavior actuates

 

Seriously, the leadership in the corporate owned republican party want this to go through as much as the corporate owned democrats do. This is the final nail in the coffin for the democratic/republic that once was the United States of America. Give it a couple years and you will see I am right when Mexico finishes the wall and Canada builds one to keep Americans out.

 

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/45755883/#53109465