The war on Christians

No more than 15% of our total population were ever members of the US WWII military.

Wars are almost always fought and won by a minority of the total population.

So, 500,000,000 Jihadists really is enough to worry about.

Why do you think GWB tried so hard to convince the world we were NOT at war with Islam?!

We may not have lost, but in a war like that there would be NO winners.

 

I agree. And most of the "real" followers of Jesus that I know personally do these things and without fanfare. They are quietly doing it, neither seeking nor getting attention or praise.

The media isn't very interested in the young Christian teen who devotes his evenings to working with special needs children at their facility many miles away; or the guy that quietly goes down to the Rescue Mission to help prepare and serve the meals; or the group of guys that regularly (for decades) visit the local prisons in the after-work hours to encourage them to look beyond their immediate circumstances for purpose and direction, but not so as to "ram Jesus down their throats".

I know these folks personally - one is my own son. But there are many in our local area that do these things and much more, and they do it as a way of life. It's their way of serving their God.

I much prefer this style of serving God to some of the less beneficent and more selfish and hurtful ways that we sometimes discuss here at PF. That doesn't mean I'm a believer but if I ever do believe in some religion, it will be because of people like the ones I've mentioned and certainly not because of TV evangelists' hyped craziness, miraculous and highly embellished stories, or least of all, because someone threatens me with violence or heaven and hell if I don't believe in their particular fantasy.

 

Man!! You are spot-on!! It appears that your son has got the absolute right idea about it. Good for him and kudos to you and yours for raising such a blessing in this world!!

 

Thanks, but my son's obedience to God is more in spite of me than because of me. His Mom is Christian - I'm the heathen of the fold. He's always trying to get me to see the light, though. But I'm blind as a bat when it comes to religious stuff, though my sonar is able to discern some peculiarly unearthly shapes sometimes.

 

I imagine that your son touches you through his 'love' (and him through yours); and that says more than words ever tend to.

I almost became an atheist, as a result of the anti-gay or homophobic attitudes of many who claimed to be of Christ. I just wanted to get away from the literal hatred and negativity so many Christians are taught to exude toward ANYONE not lining-up to the letter of the law/Bible as some believers 'perceive' it.

I DID get away from it, but I didn't lose all of my faith.

 

You either haven't seen very many movies or didn't realize you were being attacked/made fun of.

 

Wow! If I were gay I don't think the Biblical/Koranic religions would be my first choices for finding a happy spiritual home. I'd have to go with one of those religious groups where they talk a lot of highminded (*)(*)(*)(*) and make each other feel good and can easily accommodate nearly anything anyone wants to do (except be a follower of Christ, of course). On second thought, why would I even bother???

Anyway, I'm glad that you didn't toss out your faith. I suppose God's existence doesn't depend one way or the other on how goofy man's religions are. I experienced some non-trivial evidence of God's existence one time which had a definite effect on my thinking, but like the Bible says, "the demons believe in god and tremble". So my "faith" is at about the same level of irrelevance as theirs.

 

One key factor I must share:

I was a believer and follower of "Christ"... long before I even knew I was gay (and surely before knowing or accepting, that I could not turn the 'gay' off). It was beyond difficult to deal with, until I was around 40 years old.

 

That sounds like a horrible dilemma. I can almost hear the nice people's whisperings and holier than thou pronouncements now. But like they say, what don't kill ya makes ya stronger so I guess you came out of it a little wiser and stronger than before. I would probably have just told everyone to go blank themselves and go on about my life. But that's just me... and may help explain why I've never won the most likely to get along with people award.

 

I've learned to love people in spite of their racism and homophobia; but I admit that only by 'faith' is that possible.

 

But we can filter out the feces. We can screen the background of any legal immigrant to this country. People apply for visas, and we can have a fairly good background check on them. Most of the problems come when we don't. The Boston Marathon bombers were known to the KGB before anything happened, proper vetting would have caught them long before they popped off.

The second thing we can do is the same thing we've done with organized crime. The RICO statute provides a powerful tool against any form of terrorism. Namely if I can prove that an organization is supporting terrorism, I can shut them down and take the assets. We took down the mafia without needing to deport the Italians, we took out the Mob without having to put Chicago on lockdown. we can deal with terrorism without having to round up all the muslims.

You don't have to throw away the constitution or curb religious freedom to take care of terrorism. You don't need to liscense the Koran like a narcotic, you just need to curb the behavior and make it clear that it won't be tolerated. Keep those who support that stuff out, and go after the people who are actually doing the terrorism.

Or we could do it your way and have a giant police state.

 

I haven't really learned to love people because IMO people have proven themselves over and over to be for the most part a royal pain in the ass.

 

Luckily we are passed the days when good Christian nations did just that.

Still doesn't make attacking people for their religion any less bigoted.

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Exactly.

I have no problem with discrimination and prosecution for those who actually want to harm us.

 

I see no reason Americans should cower in fear and throw away our principles of freedom of religion.

 

I think you've got it. I seem to remember the blood soaked torture chambers found in Iraq, or the Iraqi woman reporter that was tortured with an electric drill, mutilated and finally publically killed in Iraq.

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/world/middleeast/iraq/article1994362.ece

Bahjat was abducted after making three live broadcasts from the edge of her native city of Samarra on the day its golden-domed Shi’ite mosque was blown up, allegedly by Sunni terrorists. Roadblocks prevented her from entering the city and her anxiety was obvious to everyone who saw her final report. Night was falling and tensions were high.

Two men drove up in a pick-up truck, asking for her. She appealed to a small crowd that had gathered around her crew but nobody was willing to help her. It was reported at the time that she had been shot dead with her cameraman and sound man.

We now know that it was not that swift for Bahjat. First she was stripped to the waist, a humiliation for any woman but particularly so for a pious Muslim who concealed her hair, arms and legs from men other than her father and brother.

Then her arms were bound behind her back. A golden locket in the shape of Iraq that became her glittering trademark in front of the television cameras must have been removed at some point — it is nowhere to be seen in the grainy film, which was made by someone who pointed a mobile phone at her as she lay on a patch of earth in mortal terror.

By the time filming begins, the condemned woman has been blindfolded with a white bandage. It is stained with blood that trickles from a wound on the left side of her head. She is moaning, although whether from the pain of what has already been done to her or from the fear of what is about to be inflicted is unclear. …

A large man dressed in military fatigues, boots and cap approaches from behind and covers her mouth with his left hand. In his right hand, he clutches a large knife with a black handle and an 8in blade. He proceeds to cut her throat from the middle, slicing from side to side.

Her cries — “Ah, ah, ah” — can be heard above the “Allahu akbar” (God is greatest) intoned by the holder of the mobile phone.

Even then, there is no quick release for Bahjat.

Read more:
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/20429_The_Death_of_an_Iraqi_Journalist#bff954E5UouYFKVs.99

But we're not supposed to speak of the brutality and barbarism of Muslims, terrorist or just the run of the mill peaceful guy at the corner Mosque. Allah be praised.

 

Margot please explain the following:

Reports Emerge of Syrian Jihadist Rebels Massacre of Alawites: Baby’s Head Hanging From Tree, Woman Sliced In Half With Each Half Hung From Separate Trees…

Read more:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/oct/02/syria-massacre-reports-alawites-assad

“When we got into the village of Balouta I saw a baby’s head hanging from a tree. There was a woman’s body which had been sliced in half from head to toe and each half was hanging from separate apple trees. It made me feel I wanted to do something wild,” he recalled.

Ali, a member of the regular army, said he also saw the baby’s head. “We found two mass graves with 140 bodies. They were not shot. They had their throats slit".
Read more:
http://weaselzippers.us/2013/10/03/reports-emerge-of-syrian-jihadist-rebels-massacre-of-alawites-babys-head-hanging-from-tree-woman-sliced-in-half-with-each-half-hung-from-separate-trees/

You claim that Muslims are not like this. Muslims themselves prove you wrong on daily basis.

 

Name the last US suicide bomber and the date please. I can tell you it wasn't yesterday, or a month ago, or a year ago, (*)(*)(*)(*) the last one I remember was the idiot with the underwear bomb (whose father TOLD the FBI there was an issue yet we did nothing, much like Boston). Clearly suicide bombers are not an issue here.

 

I hope you were making a joke.

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Look at your source.

The ME has as many liars and conspiracy theorists as we have.

 

You are not addressing the POINT!

 

You mean http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...alawites-assad of course.

 

Remember the incubator story that came out of Kuwait? The diplomats daughter who told it wasn't in Kuwait.. She was in boarding school in Europe.

Don't believe the crap you read.. The guardian doesn't have stringers in Syria.

 

You can speak of anything you want to.

But there is a difference between a Muslim terrorist and the the 'run of the mill peaceful Muslim at the corner Mosque. I think it is important to distinguish between the two and I think that lumping them together is just religious bigotry.

 

MUSLIM TROPHY IN SYRIA: LIFELESS BODY OF DECAPITATED CHRISTIAN CHILD

Sept. 18,2013

A young Christian girl beheaded in Syria. The sign of extremism and fanatics, the long beards, is present in each and everyone of these subhuman Muslims who killed this small child, in their jihad to Allah – inspired by the Quran. This is Obama, Britain, France, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Turkey funded and supported handiwork. Don’t put your support behind any of these people, whether for military action in Syria, asylum, immigration, another hate preaching mosque. This is what is moving into your town, your country, your society, your neighborhood:

This video is written with false propaganda claiming ‘Syrian forces’ killed a ‘rebel’ child. New assessment of the situation in Syria show that over half of the so called freedom fighters are terrorists. In other words, the entire ‘struggle’ is terrorist lead. These extremist have been using their own murders as propaganda in their three year murder sprees, like the recent chemical gassing of children who belonged to minority Alawite families near Latakia, kidnapped by Syrian anti-Assad extremists just weeks before. Pro-Sunni extremist argue that the child is actually a ‘rebel’ child. Is the child dressed like a Muslim child? And who is holding the child? The Syrian army or extremists? This is just one of endless number of murders committed by the extremist pretending to be ‘rebels’.


(Excerpt)

Read more:
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=3bb_1379478168

I received an infraction for posting the above with the graphic video. However, if you care to see the graphic video you can access it yourself. I everyone caution before hand.

 

But how do you really know which is which? With imams and clerics preaching hate as many of them are doing in the mosques, who knows when the next good Muslim will turn out to be a terrorist? Who thought those two kids that bombed the Boston Marathon would do such a thing? Then you had three more good Muslim boys trying to cover it for them. I'm sure there are millions of good decent Muslims out there that want nothing but to live in peace. But they have a religion that can be hateful and religious leaders that are preaching hate to them. We know how badly Muslims want to follow their religion, so how in the heck do we know when the next cleric is going to get up and tell their congregation to go out and murder those that don't want to follow Islam or who are fighting in Islamic countries? You just don't know and you can't trust that a good Muslim won't turn bad in a matter of hours. That's the flat out truth.

 

Liveleak? Do they have stringers in Syria?