Republicans trying to do Obama a favor, but he's too stupid to let them....

How does an HSA do anyone any good even if they make double the minimum wage or even more? Or gotten sick and can only work part time? OR have any kind of a pre-existing condition and no one will sell you insurance, or only will sell it at exorbitant prices?

The "Seling insurance across state lines" is a ridiculous excuse - all it does let insurance companies escape what little oversight and regulation they have, and just like it did with credit card interest rates, allows insurance companies to practice outrageous ripoffs and deliver even less for the money. There is NO credible evidence that the claimed "bigger pools" will reduce any prices, there are no states with so few people that there are not sizable populations of insurable people.

If a large pool of people would "lower prices", why do huge states like California NOT have immensely lower prices than somewhere like Wyoming? The whole idea is nothing but an insurance industry deregulation fantasy to take us back to the days when insurance companies sold policies and then never paid.

These Republican "solutions" are absurd jokes, we have been there and done that and they have never worked.

 

Yes, Obama's employer-provided insurance is Obamacare, just like everyone else's.

 

Let Whole Food workers show you.

If you're implying chronically sick, Catastrophic insurance. That's why such policies exist.

Oklahoma surgery center, Doctors and Nurse Practitioners who don't require insurance (and have cheaper rates because of it).

Paying out of pocket, this practice is saving people money now, to include Mr. $17,000 dollar man here, and anyone who has consumed LASIK or Plastic surgery in the last 10 years, the only part of medical care to see prices drop.

1. They would only escape state mandates, and only that of the states their customers come from. They still have to meet Federal regulations and those of the State they operate in.

2. It would allow, for example, the 60% of Delaware residents to escape from having to purchase insurance from the same company.

Your boogyman of Monopolies exist, right now, and they get to charge practically any rate they want... right now. and it's because of McCarran-Ferguson act (and in some states, certificate-of-need laws).

... That's the argument of the Affordable Care Act, it's half the justification for why they're forcing people to buy insurance. They also want to bring more people onto the standard Medicare rolls, as they think that way, they can leverage better rates.

Further, buying across state lines doesn't necessarily increase the pool, that's dependent on everyone buying from the same company, and on the same plans. If they buy across state lines into different companies, and different plans, this doesn't follow.

Let me be clear, it isn't about size, its about competition and looking for value in a plan that has exactly what you want, no more, no less. Buying across state lines would allow people to get past State mandates (and certificate-of-need laws), which California has some of the most of when we contrast the states.

In short, I'm trying to force the States to compete, along with the insurance plans, some of which haven't seen true market challenges in decades. Complacency makes for bad companies.

 

You can't see the socialist "forest" for the trees, can you? Subsidies? Why the hell should anybody automatically get subsidies? "From each according to his ability... to each according to his needs"? That's the philosophy of the über-Marxist, Karl Marx himself! Why does one person get a "subsidy" and another person does not? Obamacare stinks from its inception because it is rooted in unfairness to people who work for a living and support themselves!

 

The alternative is not fixing it to start with ... That is like saying cancer tumors are bad, what can Republicans do to make them better?
You get rid of the tumor ... You don't try to make it better.

 

That's a lie and you know it!!! It's not even implemented yet...but He gets free Military healthcare.

 

Yeah....we have a lot of tumors to get rid of in 2014 and an unconstitutional non-affordable health disaster from a big, fat-eared wart to cut away and replace with someone in 2016 who has proven to be a true patriot (not an apologist). One who has actually served this Nation as one of our BEST. I'm speaking of the likes of Allen West but Cruz seems to fit the bill as Mr. West has already been thrown under the bus by so-called Republicans who are nothing more than dimocrats in disquise. We need something different than a "mittens" Romney or a candidate that paved the way for B.O. like McCain.

Spot on, BlackSand, the cancer of liberalism must be stopped before all that we know is eaten up. Cut it off....better to lose a hand than an arm....better to lose an arm than one's life. THEY are killing us and it now goes far beyond simply infringing upon our liberties or prosperity. Our very existance is now up for grabs and I hope we Americans still have some fight left in us.

 

You STARTED off with nonsense.

(Sigh.)

 

Ha! Please continue! I started out by saying that the only people who love Obamacare are poor people who are already on every kind of welfare-suck imaginable. Please tell us who else wants socialized medicine?

It's easy to figure out why Obamacare is popular with bums, parasites, and the welfare-suck crowd. They'll get Obama's "subsidies" to pay their premiums, so the whole thing will end up being free for them. Everybody else takes it right up the ASS, because even if they get some "help" with subsidies, they'll be facing enormous yearly deductibles.

So, again, who loves Obamacare besides the welfare bums? Labor unions? No. Ordinary working taxpayers who are seeing the companies they work for cancelling healthcare for spouses, cutting hours, and destroying their income? No. Oh, wait! I DID think of somebody who likes Obamacare! The 1,800 companies and organizations who managed to get waivers from Libocrats so that they don't have to have anything to do with it. And, don't forget various suck-bags that work for the government. They obviously didn't want anything to do with Obamacare, either.

Oh, by the way, is Obama himself going put himself, his Queen, and his brood on Obamacare... since it's such a miraculous, wonderful thing...?

 

No thanks. And for the purpose of better screen real estate management, I'm done discussing this with 'you'.

Bye.

 

None of the Obama lovers want to discuss the realities of Obamacare. When you point out the disastrous effects of this socialized medicine trainwreck they simply want to look the other way and ignore them. I don't mind it when those who are ignorant or simply stupid make free-will decisions that negatively impact only themselves, but when this ignorance and stupidity ends up being MY problem, and something I'M expected to pay for and subsidize, I'm furious! Does anybody really think that any of these additional 40,000,000 people who already don't and won't pay for their own healthcare are going to pay anything under Obamacare? All anybody has to do is "poor-mouth" and they get everything for free, while the rest of us get the bill, and that's exactly how Democrats stay in power!

Here we are in 2013... the parasites, leeches, and bums are going to get their Obamacare for free and the rest of us are going to be forced to pay for it, one way or another. And these Socialist bastards wonder WHY we on the Right want to see an abusive, coercive Federal Government shut down...?!

 

The ACA is clearly much BETTER than the 'nothing' which those on the Right religiously advocate for.

 

Liar.

If only you lefties had the slightest grasp on reality, you would see your dumb lies fall flat as soon as you pit "post".

 

You realize that there is no such thing as being on Obamacare, right? You would think before commenting on something you would at least look it up to avoid sounding like a total moron.

 

Then why would Obama include a fine for not signing up ?!

(you may want to tell him).

You'd think.

 

The fine has nothing to do with signing up for "Obamacare". Obamacare does not exist as something to sign up for. I would ask how you are unaware of that fact, but this is America, so I already know how.

 

You little people most certainly do have to register with the ACA.

Either on your own or via your employer.

If you don't... you will pay fines.


Maybe rephrasing it will help you to understand ?

 

There's plenty of them Google it.

 

You don't have to register for anything. Maybe you should just look the law up, then post. It would save everyone some time. For the record, I oppose the law, too. But at least I know what it is.

 

I was thinking the same thing - except we are riding on the damned train. Our current situation reminds me of the '87 Chase, MD train wreck when the crew failed to slow down at the signals. That crew too had issues with perception and judgement, only theirs was related to weed rather than being zombified by their own lies and bs.

 

Of course you don't... and I'm one of the millions that won't.

What does that have to do with the topic of those who don't, will pay ?


Anyway, the penalty for not applying and signing up, is 1% this year... and 2.5% starting in 2016.
2.5% of your income is quite a penalty for not signing up for something you say you don't have to sign up for.

 

Given there is no where to actually register per se, I'm guessing lots of people won't be doing it.

I say you don't have to have insurance because you don't. But yes, you will pay a fine. It sucks, I agree. It also sucks that the ER has to treat people who are uninsured, which is another indirect tax on more responsible people.

 

Don't know what "nothing" you're talking about, johnny. Any time, any where in America that a person demands to get healthcare for free, all he has to do is sign up for Medicaid. That has been true for 50 years! Or, if he doesn't want to bother with the tiresome paperwork, and go through the process of becoming a welfare "client", all he has to do is barge into an emergency room in any hospital in the United States and he will be treated.

So, given that Obamacare's real purpose was just to steal hundreds of billions of dollars away from Medicare (an EARNED taxpayer entitlement), and use the money to set up another place for welfare moochers to mooch free healthcare, the question arises -- exactly what the hell did we need Obamacare for in the first place...?

 

Poor people are the only people in need of health insurance? Health care reform unfortunately is a necessary evil.
Most likely in part, because insurance companies are run by the same uneducated stuffed shirts that insist we do not
need health care reform, while hard working Americans are being denied coverage for medical conditions, pre-existing
or not. I recently read a post by a man, who had the same health insurance provided by his work, Pacific Union, for
twenty years. When his daughter was diagnosed with cancer however, they denied every expense related to her treatment
and did not agree to cover any of the expenses until after he had ardently fought with the insurance company.Now try to tell
this man there is no need for health care reform and the system is not flawed, where an insurance company can do this
to a person, a family!! In my instance, I have two degrees, work two jobs and served in the military and do not have
heatlh care. Why? Companies more and more are capping hours just before full time, to longer offer health care benefits.
The result? Working twice as hard for twice as less and no benefits. And more and more "premeir" companies are starting
to limit hours and deny benefits, as the cost of health insurance is increasing. This is therefore a common problem
with many young people, maybe even your son or daughter, attempting to enter the workforce upon graduation.
A resolution in his case, with his daughter and in mine is clearly needed!! And without the absolution of pre-existing conditions,
if I were to be diagnosed with cancer or any other disease, care for my recovery would be denied. And this problem is not limited to
the poor uninsured, nor even those with insurance presently. There is a widespread need, in all societal and economic realms in this country.
Those who think otherwise need to wake up and get with the real world! There were more than a million hits on the health care
exchange on the first day alone. That is five times as many as did visit the Medicare Health Care website on its commission.
If it were up to me, I would deny Medicare in the future, to all Republicans against government insurance. I guarentee they will
rant and rave up a storm about the follies of government insurance, and yet when they turn 65, will turn in to reap all the
benefits government insurance does provide. As I am in healthcare, I know this to be true. I have seen this to be true in more
than my fair share of cases, watching staunch Republicans, naive as they are stubborn listening to the idiotic rantings of Rush Limbaugh,
denouncing everything government and while simultaneously living on every benefit the government provides. And need I remind them, that the
Health Care Reform Act was originally a Republican idea and a prominent feature of the Mitt Romeny plan? Had this Republican idea had been
Repblican enacted these uneducated stuff shirts, who seem to have forgotten it was a Republican idea, might stand behind a noble health care plan
with no pre-existing conditions, that so many people, Republican and Democrat alike, wealthy and poor, educated and un-educated, are all in
need of! With so many people visiting the website and at least trying to sign up for health care despite all the recent website glitches,
you and the Republicans you stand behind need to get with the program you originated and stop the government shut down over idea
that was yours and Americans are showing an innate need for!I contest that the truly poor and uneducated people are no other than you!Or do you
actually have the gall to tell that man who nearly lost his daughter, that there is nothing wrong with the system?! Why don't you take
the time to catch up with the real world and educate yourselves on what is really happening in this country. Because if you took the time to
do that and have a heart at all, you would undoubtedly discover what a travesty our previous healthcare system really was.

 

Poor people are the only people in need of health insurance? Health care reform unfortunately is a necessary evil.
Most likely in part, because insurance companies are run by the same uneducated stuffed shirts that insist we do not
need health care reform, while hard working Americans are being denied coverage for medical conditions, pre-existing
or not. I recently read a post by a man, who had the same health insurance provided by his work, Pacific Union, for
twenty years. When his daughter was diagnosed with cancer however, they denied every expense related to her treatment
and did not agree to cover any of the expenses until after he had ardently fought with the insurance company.Now try to tell
this man there is no need for health care reform and the system is not flawed, where an insurance company can do this
to a person, a family!! In my instance, I have two degrees, work two jobs and served in the military and do not have
heatlh care. Why? Companies more and more are capping hours just before full time, to longer offer health care benefits.
The result? Working twice as hard for twice as less and no benefits. And more and more "premeir" companies are starting
to limit hours and deny benefits, as the cost of health insurance is increasing. This is therefore a common problem
with many young people, maybe even your son or daughter, attempting to enter the workforce upon graduation.
A resolution in his case, with his daughter and in mine is clearly needed!! And without the absolution of pre-existing conditions,
if I were to be diagnosed with cancer or any other disease, care for my recovery would be denied. And this problem is not limited to
the poor uninsured, nor even those with insurance presently. There is a widespread need, in all societal and economic realms in this country.
Those who think otherwise need to wake up and get with the real world! There were more than a million hits on the health care
exchange on the first day alone. That is five times as many as did visit the Medicare Health Care website on its commission.
If it were up to me, I would deny Medicare in the future, to all Republicans against government insurance. I guarentee they will
rant and rave up a storm about the follies of government insurance, and yet when they turn 65, will turn in to reap all the
benefits government insurance does provide. As I am in healthcare, I know this to be true. I have seen this to be true in more
than my fair share of cases, watching staunch Republicans, naive as they are stubborn listening to the idiotic rantings of Rush Limbaugh,
denouncing everything government and while simultaneously living on every benefit the government provides. And need I remind them, that the
Health Care Reform Act was originally a Republican idea and a prominent feature of the Mitt Romeny plan? Had this Republican idea had been
Repblican enacted these uneducated stuff shirts, who seem to have forgotten it was a Republican idea, might stand behind a noble health care plan
with no pre-existing conditions, that so many people, Republican and Democrat alike, wealthy and poor, educated and un-educated, are all in
need of! With so many people visiting the website and at least trying to sign up for health care despite all the recent website glitches,
you and the Republicans you stand behind need to get with the program you originated and stop the government shut down over idea
that was yours and Americans are showing an innate need for!I contest that the truly poor and uneducated people are no other than you!Or do you
actually have the gall to tell that man who nearly lost his daughter, that there is nothing wrong with the system?! Why don't you take
the time to catch up with the real world and educate yourselves on what is really happening in this country. Because if you took the time to
do that and have a heart at all, you would undoubtedly discover what a travesty our previous healthcare system really was.

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Did you not read that this healthcare is not free? The people who sign up for it have to pay for the policy they choose, unlike Medicaid. Do your homework.