Pakistan tells U.N. at least 400 civilians killed by drone strikes

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  1. Ethereal

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    The CIA and US military continue to wage war on a nebulous terror network all across the globe with nothing to show for it. Hopefully, these atrocities won't come back to haunt us in the form of blow-back, like it did with 9/11.
     
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    400 sounds like a good number, but 4000 would be more impressive and truly indicative of real progress. Islam has been at war with us since Jefferson, what's another 200 years as long as we keep our backbone and never forget that Islam is our enemy, always has been, is most clearly so now, and always will be.
     
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    So, in your world, the more dead civilians, the better?

    Islam is not a monolith, and Jefferson hosted the Tunisians in Washington, so it's not really comparable to our war with AQ.
     
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    Mellimelli was in Washington during Ramadan, a month-long period in which Muslims fast from sunrise to sunset. To accommodate his guest's religious obligation, Jefferson's invitation to the President's House on December 9 changed the time of dinner from the usual "half after three" to "precisely at sunset."

    http://www.monticello.org/site/research-and-collections/tunisian-envoy
     
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    The more dead enemies the better. I am not an Obama voter so I know that Islam is our enemy and I also know that military unit affiliation is not a requirement to still be a combatant in Islamo militancy. Islam is a monolith, another Obama voter falicy. Al Queda is simply the next iteration of Islamo hatred, there will be another and another, Islam is our enemy.
     
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    Islam is NOT a monolith, otherwise, there wouldn't be things like "Sunni" and "Shiite" Muslims, and they are often times more concerned with killing each other than they are with killing Americans. It's only when our imperialist foreign policy impacts their lives that they become sufficiently motivated to leave their back yard conflicts and fly planes into our buildings. It's also worth noting that the global Islamic terror network we're fighting was largely trained and handled by our own CIA during the Cold War. But you want to ignore all that and accuse me of being an Obama voter, even though you're the one defending Obama's atrocities.

     
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    Go fight your own wars if you feel so strongly about it. Just don't ask me or my own to pay for it.
     
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    I have never supported Obama on anything ever. He is a closet Islamo. You already paid for my war. Islamo's are fricking animals, I have seen their worthless asses up close and personal and I have nothing but the deepest loathing for them. Islam is to justice what dog poop is to cream cheese.
     
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    All 1.7 billion of them.... you seem very insecure, very very insecure. And scared.
     
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    I am concerned that people who make decisions are blinded by political correctness and they refuse to recognize the reality that Islam is our enemy inspite of Islam's instance that that is so and Islam's repeated attacks on us prove. I am very secure in the knowledge that Islam hates us, you and I, and they will go to any lengths and all time to destroy us.

    I asked the question, Why would Islamo's lie when they say the want to destroy us? I have yet to have some Obama voter answer that question.
     
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    I´m not marxist. I´m arch conservative and nationalist. Islam is no big deal in Japan. We have almost no muslims in Japan. We have good relations with them. One of our closest friends is Turkey, a muslim country.
     
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    FYI, the people behind 9/11 have hated the US long before drones were ever used. These people are no different and in fact the Pakistan govt is responsible for the Taliban that harbored Al Qaeda who were behind 9/11 and to this day give limited support against the Taliban. To suggest that stopping drone strikes would induce these people to show the US respect is naive and ignorant of history.
     
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    Not nearly as much as they hated their sectarian and regional rivals. Only after our repeated intervention in their political systems did they become concerned enough to wage total war on our homeland. It's also worth noting that the people behind 9/11 were largely Saudis with a historic connection to the CIA.

    What do you mean "these people"? This is not some monolithic entity that's being attacked, it's individuals, some of whom are innocent bystanders with families and friends.

    And is that our mission objective in Pakistan and Afghanistan? To get them to show us respect? Talk about naive and ignorant of history.
     
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    Al Qaeda was based in Afghanistan, protected by the Taliban that was supported by Pakistan. Those are the facts, period. This hatred has to stop and the US cannot do it, only the regional govt can stop it, and if they don't it, I have no problem with the US doing it.
     
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    And our CIA helped to train and equip them during the Cold War.

    I don't think bombing and terrorizing innocent people is going to help "stop the hatred".
     
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    The people behind 9/11 were sorted out years ago.

    Yet these drone strikes continue.

    Think about it.. Hijackers dead, obviously. The USA alleges KSM and four others, the "principle architect" and planning crew, were behind the attack. All in Gitmo, awaiting trial (still). Osama Bin Laden, allegedly killed in a SEAL raid and his corpse dropped into the ocean. Coral forming on his skeleton by now. Afghanistani Taliban, out of power. Government replaced. Taliban now being NEGOTIATED WITH so USA can leave, maybe. AQ: dismantled and on the run, a shell of their former self, according to the USA all major commanders of the 9/11 days destroyed and many more..

    So you guys can not keep bringing up 9/11 and those behind it as continuous justification to belligerently bombard the planet.

    If the drone strike program were so useful for taking the bad guys down, as claimed, you wouldn't need to keep it up forever and keep stepping it up.. That actually indicates it must not be working! (Provided that even is the real reason for it in the first place).
     
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    Beneath the establishment propaganda lies the ugly truth...

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    Yeah right, there are no more threats.
     
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    There will always be threats, especially thanks to people being radicalized and enraged by their family and friends being bombarded. Now care to address the arguments you quoted?
     
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    The greatest enemy of mankind is the US war party. (both democrats and republicans). If we hadn't stuck our nose in the middle east to begin there would not be a terrorist threat. Iran and Iraq were secular countries before we overthrew the democratically elected leader of Iran and former ally Saddam. The cowards who supported the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan and the bombing of Libya, Syria and Yemen are responsible for the rise of ISIS and the refugees fleeing those countries. May they rot in hell.
     
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    Al Qaeda was willing to hand over the Taliban for a trial. It was the US who refused that. Them are the facts. And they refused it because the US had this idea to make a coup happen against the Taliban lead government of Afghanistan and place it under it's sphere of influence. And so it happened, and so the US while they were there surveyed the country to seek out natural resources to thieve in a cheap way.... all at the expense of that war torn nation civilian population.

    Rather weird you pretend geopolitics played no roll in this.
     
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    If 1.7 billion people would be busy killing us, than the entire world would be in fire.
    But it's not the case. Hence your perception is not correct.
    Thing is, the US applies geopolitics and that goes at the expense of massive number of civilians.
    It's not, Islam hates us. It "us" killing people, a heck of a lot of them, so we can make a better profit.
    People hate "us" for that.
     

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