I bet them old people are all collecting their social security and using medicare. Look , are these voter ID laws going overboard? Probably so, but is anyone incapable of obtaining ID if they want it? No of course not. So essentially it's a whiny crybaby contest from BOTH sides. Voting is but one of HUNDREDS of things a person needs an ID for, and frankly I don't want people who are incapable of taking steps to obtain one from having a say in our government anyway.
And your first one was......WND? So I held my nose and clicked on the WND link. And it was all speculation and innuendo. You tell me- how many votes did WND prove were fraudulant in the 2012 election? Not one. The National Review Article? It managed to find one fraudulant vote- because the person said she voted twice. This is what you base your fears on? This is why you demand that I prove I am eligible to vote NOW- after voting for over 30 years without needing to? What BS.
The WND page links to several reports of voter/registration fraud. I take it you didn't read it, just as you didn't read the National Review article. The National Review article said that 19 people are being accused of voter fraud (in just Hamilton County). They interviewed one person who admitted it. You ignored the rest? Wonder why.
Your blather about 30 years is just that blather. So what. Used to be able to fly without ID to, used to be able to rent a hotel room without ID to, so on and so forth. Times change, deal with it.
No one I know is pushing legislation that would allow illegal aliens voting rights. I don't know where you get that from. Illegals shouldn't be able to vote and pushing a voter ID law won't prevent voting fraud. All someone has to do is fake an ID. Illegals are good at faking IDs. The people who volunteer at the voting booths are not experts at picking out faked IDs. The voter ID laws are stupid and will cause more problems than it solves. It is an expensive way of adding more bureaucracy to the process. It will discourage voting in many cases and the more we discourage voting the more power is taken from the people and passed to those in elected offices. I don't know who "you guys" are when you say you guys are fighting for voting rights for prisoners and illegal immigrants. Who is trying to push these laws through? I haven't heard of anyone trying to get voting rights for illegals or prisoners. In my opinion, citizens who pay taxes should be allowed to vote. After all, the revolt from England was based on taxation without representation. Tax payers should be allowed to have a say on who governs them and how the tax money is spent. Voting rights given to land owners back in 1790 were granted because at that time it was only land owners that paid taxes. Now days, we all pay taxes in one form or another.
Glad you brought up taxation without representation. That should work the other way around as well, No representation without taxation. There goes 47% of the vote , no more vote for them.
Basically, your saying that people who can't get documentation to prove citizenship shouldn't be allowed to vote? I think any citizen that pays taxes, which we all do, should be allowed to have a say in how that tax money is spent and how our country runs. Yes, those in their 80s and 90s are getting social security. They became a part of the system from it's inception. They didn't need a government issued birth certificate to prove their birth back then. They have been grandfathered in to new laws along the way, so they have been able to get by without having all the documentation states want for state issued IDs in the current system. Documentation isn't impossible to obtain, but it can get rather expensive. My father, born in rural Alabama on a dirt farm, joined the Army when he was 17. He lied about his age. Later in life, he had to pay attorneys to get documentation of his birth registered in the government statistics, and it wasn't cheap. He is a two time war vet. Had he not spent all that money to get legal documentation of his birth in this country, are you saying he shouldn't be allowed to vote because of it, regardless of his service to this country? There are some WWII vets that don't have good enough proof of citizenship to obtain a state ID these days. Voter ID laws are more big government expensive programs that will cause more problems than it fixes.
The 47% your talking about may not pay income tax, but they pay taxes and fees to the government in many other ways like sales taxes and licensing fees. Nice try.
What do you call Obama's de facto amnesty for illegal immigrants? Remember that? Or how about this: http://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/...to-Allow-Non-Citizens-to-Vote--135569598.html Oh, so if it's easy to fake, we might as well stop utilizing them... Right? Also, how is it "expensive" to add an ID requirement for voting? I also don't see how it will "discourage" voters, unless they're illegal immigrants, or otherwise trying to commit fraud... "You guys" = Democrats. Remember Al Franken's election? http://clashdaily.com/2012/08/byron...e-election-with-the-help-of-1099-felons-vote/ http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/...enfranchise-sentencing-project_n_1665860.html Those poor, poor disenfranchised criminal non-voters. ;/
I read the WND page- and I didn't see a single example of anything other than speculation and innuendo. The National Review article mentioned 19 people ACCUSED of voter fraud......but not a single person actually convicted of it. Seriously- in all of the United States- the National Review managed to find 19 cases of suspected voter fraud and 1 case of someone admitting to voter fraud. So- 1 proven case of voter fraud. Out of over 114 million votes. This is what you base your fears on? This is why you demand that 80 year old World War 2 veterans must show their papers in order to vote?
Not a lot can be done on a lunch break that lasts either 30 minutes or an 1 hour if you are going to the DMV. My office is three blocks away from an IRS TAC and even with my 1 hour lunch break, I woll be waiting since the average waite time at an IRS TAC is at least 1 1/2 hours. You argument might work if everyone lived in a rural area. However, most poeple don't. I live in a Metro area where the nearest DMV is at least 15 minutes away from wehre i work or live but the wait times are about an hour usually. If you go on Monday or Friday, they are longer on most days. The point is that for most working poor, they don't have the time to go to a DMV to change their name if they are working. And in most cases, that that are working have an employer that generally does not pay annual leave for such occasions. I am not asking or demanding that employers do that, but the fact is that since most people do not have the time and they are struggling day to day, requiring voter ID when it is almost impossible for most working poor is where the disenfranchise. And by the way, there is a fee, generally, for chaniging address, name, etc when you go to the DMV.
Issuing free Voter ID cards to each voter in each state gets rather expensive, then you have to provide more employees at the DMV to process these Voter IDs. Voter IDs will discourage voting from people who can not easily get documentation the state requires for the voting IDs. It further discourages voting because some people won't have the time to take off work to run down to the DMV for a voter ID. It's another big government requirement to exercise one's right to vote. I thought "you people" were for smaller less intrusive government. I guess I was wrong.
If I moved from one address to another I'm required to get a new drivers license. And that applies to men or woman. If a female changed her name it applies to her also.
Small world and I can relate. My Mom did not even know how to drive back in the 30's when she and my Dad got married. She got her license mail order, then Dad taught her to drive. Not sure she ever went over 40 or 50 miles an hour, though. Thanks for reminding me of old times. - - - Updated - - - Never been to Branson. Of course at my age now, a request for ID may be a compliment.
TOO (*)(*)(*)(*)ING BAD I make time to work and do the thousands of other things I need to do in my life. So do millions of others, those who won't shouldn't get any preferential treatment. NO ONE is so busy they can't find to go to the DMV once every four (*)(*)(*)(*)ing years to obtain or renew an ID.
From rkhames, #111, above... If there were an election within 30 days of a marriage then it's quite likely the lovely lady wouldn't have an updated Voter Regis card either. Again, the gal can pursue clarification with the county resources unless she prefers the self victimization route, in which she should call her local ACORN office.
You're clearly ignoring that the 19 cases were in one county of Ohio, in the vicinity of Cincinnati. I provided you with multiple websites to multiple articles from around the country... and you've ignored all of them but two, and you only read a portion of those two. lol, coming from a guy who supports a President that locks down the WW2 Memorial on the basis of proving a point, this is hilarious. No, I don't think 80yr old WW2 vets will have a problem showing someone an ID in order to vote. You trying to guilt me into ceding or something? Not gonna' work. I'm willing to bet that the majority of WW2 vets don't want illegal immigrants or criminals voting for representatives in a country they'd defended.
I will point out once again- that based upon the two citations that you provided that I bothered to look at- you provided exactly one- yes the number 1 case of voter fraud. And 19 suspected cases. Out of 114 million votes. Now here is the thing. I am not really against voter ID laws- I am against most of them that have been passed in Republican controlled states for various reasons but I actually believe that it is not unreasonable to require that voters provide actual proof of eligibility- a passport is really the only document that does that. Drivers licenses certainly don't. As soon as we have made sure that all eligible voters have gotten their federal proof of eligiblity to vote, I am all for requiring that it be shown in order to vote. And by extension- eliminating absentee voting or any other voting that does not require providing proof of ID.
lol... are you seriously upset about the "you people" remark? Get over it. Voter registration cards are already given out to citizens who apply for them. Do you have one? They're not exactly the most expensive things to print. Any kind of "Voter ID" card would probably be as costly as a drivers license, which isn't exactly that costly either. Also, why would they need to hire more people to hand them out? There are already facilities and people to handle the load. It's not like everyone's going to be registering for an ID at the same time and there really aren't that many people who need an ID, who don't already have one. You're trying to find any excuse to prevent this from happening. It's getting ridiculous.
we don't need a voter ID card. All we need to do is fully implement The Real ID Act and boom your DL IS your voter ID card in EVERY state. It's stupid that this law keeps getting pushed back.
To be clear, this guy says he legally purchased a firearm with no ID whatsoever, 12 months ago. Not the late 1800's or early 1900's; but a year ago in the same State where Columbine happened. I say it's bullsh**t. I have friends with FFL's that I buy and sell from in Colorado and I know he either illegally bought a saturday night special or is just making this stuff up to prove a point that having an ID to do things somehow violates his rights to privacy.
I gotta agree with you. He didn't buy a gun without ID unless it was just a friend to friend situation, and in that case he should probably keep his mouth shut.
Extremely good point. I got a warning (talking on cell) from a NY State policeman about 2 months after I moved from Georgia. He said legally I had to change my address and get a new license within 30 days and to hurry up and go do that. Luckily I have military plates or I think he would have jacked me for a pretty big ticket. GA didn't have that hands-free law in 2010. But your point is correct - there is nobody in USA here legally that is unable to get some form of State photo ID; which is more than enough to vote. I bet there are probably even photo voter ID cards in some states. I bet that would be a quick revenue stream for town hall to jack us for $10 bucks or something.
