Let’s Get This Class War Started

In other words .. If you cannot make your own way and earn it ... Steal it from those who can ... Pfft!
But Hey ... Keep on dreaming ... Because this sh** never gets old ... And it is the New American Dream.

Better yet ... Shut the Hell Up ... And start shooting.

 

So? We never practiced a mythical form of economic arrangement, but what does that have to do with anything? Free market capitalism is simply a brilliant piece of propaganda. Capitalists sought to justify their wealth and privilege by equating capitalism with freedom. The fact that capitalism didn't work like that, nor had it ever worked like that, was never of consequence. The fact is that we HAVE practiced capitalism though. We just practiced it in reality, not in free market land.

In reality capitalism and the state are inexorably linked. Capitalists rely on the state to protect their profits and promote their further accumulation of profits. As others pointed out, the bailout is a perfect example (while it is the most obvious example it isn't something strange. Government is constantly granting privilege to the very wealthy). It is also not some modern anomaly, it is how capitalism has always related to the state. Corporations, the quintessential entity of the capitalist model, were originally just monopolies granted by the British parliament or crown over an area, market, or both. From its infancy capitalists have relied on government granted privilege, and that has never changed at any point. So to say the US has never had a free market isn't at all relevant. Capitalism and a free market are antithetical to one another. So any discussion of free market capitalism is simply the promotion of capitalist propaganda and nothing more.

 

It is funny if it were not so sad to watch the posters grapple with their own identity. They see the oligarchs as partisan either conservative or liberal and the reality is that it is both. One is indistinguishable from the other when it comes to greed.

 

Wow, emotive much?

 

It worked out pretty well, actually. Better than keeping everything the way it was.

 

They are relatively clueless and don't really understand how we actually got to where we are.

Yeah, and small government was pretty damn small with Caligula in power. Thank god his good ole uncle pretended to be dumb. It saved his life.

 

Those folks "happen" to have taken the stuff the rest of us produced.

There's no route to justice that doesn't inconvenience those who profit by injustice.

 

The productive generate it. The rich just take it.

Which is rightfully ours.

The most successful at taking from others, that is....

The greedy will do anything and everything to get something for nothing.

 

Hehe. Read and learn:

"The most comfortable, but also the most unproductive way for a capitalist to increase his fortune, is to put all monies in sites and await that point in time when a society, hungering for land, has to pay his price" — Andrew Carnegie

That is the credo of the greedy, privileged, parasitic rich, who number an order of magnitude fewer than the poor, take an order of magnitude more from society, but contribute even less.

 

It isn't a "minor technicality"; it is a flat out myth perpetuated by liberal scholars. The Founding Fathers highly regulated the economy during the revolution; the wealth gap was much more narrow than it is today, even with slaves in the numbers; Thomas Jefferson's debts were almost exactly equal to the value of his assets--he was in effect playing an economic shellgame comparable to refinancing your house to pay off your credit cards so you could borrow money on your credit card to pay your mortgage payment. Most of the land in America was given away by the government to those who would utilize it via homesteading. There was never a smoke-filled backroom of the country club scheme to oppress the masses. Even the US government was broke after the revolution and defaulted on its debt. If anything, colonial policy was oriented toward making people self-sufficient so they would go forth and multiply and produce goods and services to add to the wealth of the nation, not be stripped of wealth they did not even have for the benefit of the founding fathers' purse strings. These were civic minded people who put forth policies that were aimed at the best interest of the nation as a whole instead of some narrow demographic group that might swing an election, something the world could use more of.

 

I think it is funny when posters struggle with the moral turpitude of having a brilliant intellect ... And still cannot figure out how to be anything more than beggars and thieves.

 

I am sorry that you feel that way about yourself. Maybe a little therapy would help you grab some self esteem.

 

Another thread where socialists fantasize about killing rich people and taking their stuff.

Great example of why socialists should never obtain power.

 

Free markets aren't really a strength of capitalism by its very nature. You have always land monopoly in capitalism, so it's naturally rigged for those who hold this government enforced privilege, and right now we also have competition killing IP tyranny, which most of your types seem to support.

 

Amazing how they build all that wealth without other people's labor, isn't it??

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I don't fantasize about it but, I wouldn't object to it if corporate players like Romney, Bush and Trump were at the top of the list..

 

Thieves run Wall Street and major corporations. Beggars are the people left holding the bag. (thought I'd help you along with realizing the differences).

 

Right, they should have known better than to accomplish things and make more money. Who do they think they are, anyway?

 

Well, Jr. was born into wealth so, he never earned anything. Romney outsourced everybody elses jobs to create his wealth, and Trump just filed bankruptcy a couple of times, making the taxpayers pay for his wealth so...I don't think much of them, really. How about you? You admire them?

 

Leftists HATE successful people. I think the reason they think this way is because they are too braindead to be successful themselves.

 

He earned the Presidency. Twice. Something you admire Obama for. Oh, and Obama wasn't exactly poor when he was born. He's led a life of privilege at every age. Something you never complain about. Am I detecting a double-standard?

He turned around many businesses which went on to generate hundreds of thousands of jobs. Every Staples employee should thank him.

How much economic benefit has he created? How many jobs? How many taxpayers filing W2's at the end of the year?

Between them and people who whine about not being rich on the internet, I'd gladly side with the former. They're winners.

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It's jealousy. They see people who took advantage of the opportunities available to them and became successful. They failed to do that, so they'd rather tear down those who did.

 

Staples...eh...not sure what anybody won there. Lots of outsourced jobs to go along with that supposed 'success' though. Say, question for ya. How long was Romney the CEO of Bain anyway? (I have a follow up). Thanks in advance. Trump dumped his debt onto everybody else. Glad you don't dispute that, cause the people that built his casinos didn't get paid for THEIR work. Bush? Born rich, through oil...earned NOTHING.
Clearly they've won....something. I mean, they earned it, and I'm sure they deserve what they'll get. Glad you like 'em.

 

I am working on my lefterism for a Halloween costume.

 

You said it best. They did nothing for their money we made it for them time to take it from them by force. Who specifically? Oh it doesn't matter lets kill them all and take their money because they are greedy and they won't give us their money unless we sell them something but we don't want to work we just want the stinking money!

 

France was also the ultmate imperial power Eurpe ever knew until the coming of Soviet Russia. It was also lassez fire capitalist to the max.

 

I am all for starting the war but i want to know what comes next .

I have nothing against rich people who got their money through their personal labor and not by exploiting the labor of others ,
I have nothing against rich people who got their money in an ethical way and not by playing , dodging or influencing authorities.
I have nothing against rich people who got their money by creating real products and not through casino capitalist processes .