I'll go slower. Do-you-have-an-actual-example-of-a-real-,live-female-American-legal-voter-who-has-been-"disenfranchised"- by-voter-ID-,as-the-OP-tries-to-claim ? (Sorry about the one Big Word. Ask your mommy what it means.)
It really depends on how you define "id." IN your I-9 example from a few posts ago, a student ID is a form of ID, but it is not a form of ID in voter ID laws. So, why the discrepancy? If it is good enough to prove ID for work authorization, should it also be good enough for voter ID laws? Second, most voter fraud cases have to do with voter registration, not the act of voting. Furthermore, not all eligible voters vote in any given election. Third, there has been no proof whatsoever that illegals, or any other criminal element, got Obama into the White House. You have to stop this idiotic thinking and hyperbole. and if you look at the premise of voter id laws, you will note that the amount of fraud does not justify the restrictiveness of such voter laws on the most vulnerable. It is simply a new form of poll tax that is being argued here.
Yes, I do have trouble following the board rules sometimes, but you know what, when I do break them, I own it.. I don't make excuses or try to claim silly things like "some people just break the rules" or " hey not everyone has time to worry about the rules" or anything similar. When and if I break the rules, I am responsible, and I pay the price. Again, no different than MILLIONS of other people do on a daily basis, WHY do you contend that the rules should be different for SOME people? There is absolutely NO excuse for not having a valid ID, NONE. No matter how hard you try to make one.
student IDs ARE acceptable in some states, it just depends. But here is where your argument once again falls apart.In order to get a student ID, you MUST present a valid DL. No state college is just going to take your word for who you are. Same as welfare, etc etc, these people have IDs, I just don't get all the crying here.
I do not have the I-9 memorized so I cannot speak to it. I do remember it was like the old-school Chinese menus from the 1960's though - two from column A and one from column B. That sort of thing. I just use my passport for ID to get on planes, get jobs, etc. I think if every US Citizen had some sort of voter ID card that they could get at DMV using the Chinese menu from the I-9; that would solve the problem immediately. Maybe something you get once every 10 years like your passport. It is illegal to vote if you are a felon, it is illegal to vote if you are not a US citizen, it is illegal to vote on behalf of someone who is dead, it is illegal to vote if you are under 18, and it is illegal to vote more than once in an election. If a voter ID solves those 5 issues; I wonder why anyone would be against it?
Felons can vote in some states. The I9 requires proving identity one of two ways: either one from one list (IIRC, a passport tops that one), or one EACH from TWO lists. (Offhand, I used a DL and a social security card.)
Not everything you do in life requires an ID. Voting has never been required to possess an ID. On the other hand, if you want to insist on the simplicity of the ID, I can make it that no matter what you do, you will break the law and thus will not be able to vote. Or I can create a scenario that it is more difficult for you to vote than others. Why do you think speed traps are illegal or that police officers cannot follow you for indefinite periods of time? Why do you think there are entrapment laws? The point is that it is more than "just following the laws." Again, this is not about for some, but for all. - - - Updated - - - You do not need a valid D/L to obtain a student ID. It may be the preferred method or the easiest way, but you don't need oine to get a student ID.
That does not solve the problem. What happens if you have a bench warrant from a JP because of an outstanding traffic violation? A misdemeanor like that does not prevent you from voting because it is not a felony, but it does prevent you from obtaining a D/L and voter registration because of the bench warrant while disenfranchising a person from boting becasue you made the alws that no matter what happens, that person wound not be able to vote on rules that are not supported by the constitution. . If you want to instist on this, then I will insist that in order for you to vote, you must solve a differential calculus problem and will have only 30 seconds to do.so. Failure to solve that problem will mean that you do not vote.
