It would solve a lot of problems if Obama was White...

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  1. perdidochas

    perdidochas Well-Known Member

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    Has nothing to do with Obama being black, it has to do with his utter lack of experience in running an organization. To say it's because of Obama's blackness is racist and the easy way out.

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    There is a segment that loves Obama because he is black and has a funny name.
     
  2. perdidochas

    perdidochas Well-Known Member

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    Did you read what the far left said about GW Bush? It was extremely harsh rhetoric and personally insulting to the President. The problem is not race, but the total disrespect that the right and left have for each other at this time in history.
     
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    As if GW Bush was not attacked just as harshly by the left-wing. What makes it worse is that GW Bush was savaged by the entertainment world (i.e. comedians) from the beginning. It took over 4 yrs for Obama to be targeted comedically. The culture has become harsher, and Democrats also have a deep seated contempt of those with views different than their own.
     
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    perdidochas Well-Known Member

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    The last two years, almost everything. Before that, he offered more welfare (i.e. medicare drug supplement), which is not a Republican value. He compromised and worked with Ted Kennedy to pass the very bipartisan NCLB. His stem cell research decision was a compromise between the pro-choicers who would allow anything to go, and the pro-lifers who wouldn't just want stem cell research to be not funded, but also banned.

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    Clinton actually talked to (not at) Republican leaders in Congress.
     
  5. perdidochas

    perdidochas Well-Known Member

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    Talk about racism.

    Herman Cain had a master's in computer science from Perdue. he first brought up profitability in Burger King restaurants, and did the same for Godfather's. He's not a dumb man by any means. Was he electable? Probably not. IMHO, he just ran for President to promote his book (never intended to get that popular), and then became Romney primary opponent of the month until the Obama campaign took him out by probably false allegations of sexual harassment.

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    And the above kind of attitude is typical of the Far (and not so Far) Left. It is half of the equation of why political rhetoric has coarsened in the last few years.
     
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    It would solve a whole lot more it he and his administration knew WTF they were doing.
     
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    Obama has tried to work with them. He agreed to use THEIR individual mandate, instead of the public option, and what he did he get for it? They decided to switch sides and oppose the mandate, and lie to the people, claiming that it was his idea to begin with. They do this on everything. They oppose him, and pretend like they want to work together and compromise, and then when he actually agrees to meet them half way, stab him in the back, and try and make it seem like he is refusing to work with them. They have done this on EVERY major issue, and I can give examples.

    1; The mandate, which I already explained..

    2; Religious organizations, such as the Catholic CHurch, being made to pay for birth control under Obamacare. He compromised with the on this issue, and changed the bill so that the insurance companies would cover the expense, and religious organizations are not required to pay anything. This should have settled the issue, but they decided they did not want Obamacare to pay for any form of birth control, and kept pushing.

    3; Ending the war on terror.
    Obama said in 2008 that he would be pulling out as soon as he could get enough support in congress. The far right called him a coward for wanting to end the wars, and as they put it, "Not fullfill the mission that America started". When he did not pull out within a couple of years, members of the far right began to claim he lied, and started bashing him for not keeping his promise to end the wars. And now, that we have began pulling out, they are back to bashing him as a coward.
     
  8. OldManOnFire

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    The entire federal government is dysfunctional...there is zero consensus...no major legislation positively effecting a majority of Americans has been placed into law...no government budgets...continued deficits and debt...Obamacare passed without a single Rep signing the bill...little to no transparency...etc. etc. etc.

    I never implied a president needs to have 100% of their legislation passed...this would be foolish. However, with the president we have today and Congress we can't pass 'any' meaningful' and bipartisan legislation.

    The socialist side of Obama does not escape me?!

    All presidents are exposed to the same BS from the media and politics and religion, etc. and I'm not blaming 'racism' for anything. I'm just saying the obvious; the ONLY thing different from Obama and other presidents is the color of his skin, yet IMHO Obama has been a dismal failure. I believe the lack of cooperation towards Obama partially stems from him being Black and Congress and much of the USA not being prepared for a Black president. Obama is the least qualified and least experienced president in the history of the USA and I didn't vote for him, but voters put him in office twice! If Obama was White he would have a much easier time in his position as president...in spite of his known shortcomings...
     
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    Black or white, it makes no difference. Even if Obama's skin color was white, he'd still be a black.

    Contrary to what Democratic propaganda espouses, racism is not due to skin color. The difference is in mannerisms, behaviour, facial features, etc. There are millions of men and women who have dark skin, many blacker than the blackest black, but they are white people. Even if a caucasian had a super-dark suntan, he'd still be a cracker.

    Even a white [albino] black ... is still a black.
     
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    Er. No. The Bust out in the Sopranos was when Tony lent that one due tons of cash to play in "The big game" card game and lost big timr. He ended up loosing his sports store and so frth. THATS a bust out. :) But yes, that was pretty much Romneys model of buisness.

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    I 100% disagree in every way.
     
  11. OldManOnFire

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    You obviously did not read the OP or you have a short attention span...I specifically stated this is not about Dems and Reps and never mentioned Obamacare?

    You should find a poll, or do one yourself, and ask Blacks and Latinos and Asians if they believe there is racism in the USA? The RACE-CARD is alive and well in the USA...
     
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    Very well stated...I'm just saying on top of everything you mention above, Obama being Black, for tens of millions of Americans, including many in Congress...is the icing on the hatred-cake...
     
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    You have absolutely zero knowledge about a single Republican in Congress and how they personally feel about other human beings? The sitting president earns all the good and bad which is heaped on them. You are too close-minded to have this discussion without evoking politics and racism...
     
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    I'm not a 'lefty' so you're wrong about that.

    IMO, and obviously not yours...many Americans, tens of millions of them, including some in Congress, simply were not prepared to deal with a Black president. After all, how many good ole White boys in Congress were going to allow a Black guy to tell them what to do? How many millions of American voters are sick to their stomachs about Obama for NO other reason than he is Black? I didn't vote for the guy and I do believe he's one of the worst presidents in history...however...and what this thread is about, even with all of his shortcomings, if he was White we would not have the dysfunctional mess we have today...

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    He would do better If he rose above Democrats and Republicans and being Black and just work hard to do what's in the best interest of the nation as a whole...
     
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    Son of a gun...I never thought about his ideologies...not!

    Like the OP said, who cares if he is Dem or Rep, no matter anything else, the one variable of being Black, IMO because many Americans are not prepared to accept a Black person in this position, has increased the dysfunction in the federal government...
     
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    Telling the Republicans in their first meeting with them "I won" (when they also won their respective elections) is not an example of trying to work with them. No republican input was sought on the ACA. Instead, the dems put in what they thought republicans wanted. ACA is a democrat product pure and simple. No direct republican input was made, and no republicans voted for it.
     
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    Maybe you live in a different bubble than me, but in my bubble, for the past few years, Obama being Black has further divided this nation, brought out a love-hate relationship with Obama, and since the day he uttered the 'idea' of running for president, he has had more security around him than anyone in the history of the USA...this is not because people love him! This is solely because he is Black! And this friction, right or wrong, moral or not, continues in the fabric of America, and this post simply questions how Obama would have done if he was White?
     
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    Yout started this discussion with evoking racism.....
     
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    You are either oblivious or refuse to acknowledge how racism effects the USA...in this case how it interferes with the office of president, no matter the president's name. My point remains that IMO many Americans and members of Congress simply were not prepared or ready or accepting of a Black president...and this push-back, whether overt or covert, has further increased the dismal performance of the federal government...
     
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    None of which gives Cain ANY qualifications to run a government. Any more than the typical conservative's ability to bang cans around when they load trash into the back of a truck qualifies them to be drummers. They are completely different worlds. But even funnier is your claim that Democrats had anything to do with Republican primaries.
     
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    You obviously did not read the intent of the OP which has nothing to do with racism as defined in politics. IMO millions of Americans and members of Congress who are not ready for a Black president, or a Mormon or Latino or Muslim president, exacerbate the already monumental task of being president. A woman president will have similar issues but much less polarization than a Black president...this is simply about how so many people today remain incapable of accepting people outside of their skin color. I suspect you will find a significant percentage of Black people who don't appreciate having White presidents and White Congress...and the same with other races. We have not yet evolved from our judgment of others based on skin color, etc.
     
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    Really?

    Coulda fooled me.

    More precisely, it appears to be just another attempt to give this president total immunity from any criticism, by claiming that all such criticism must be motivated by impure intentions; and that anyone who asserts otherwise is not "even capable of having an open-mined, intelligent, mature, and friendly discussion about a black president"...
     
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    They were pretty much the same tactic as I recall. First you take over a business with good credit. Then you buy up everything you can get your hands on and sell it out the back door for a fast buck. Then you burn the place to the ground so there's no evidence. Soprano did it with the sports store and the restaurant. Romney has made a career out of it.
     
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    It's not racist...I'm saying that his Black skin exacerbates what you mention because tens of millions of Americans including many in Congress are simply not prepared or ready to accept a Black president...
     

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