Nightmare in the Occupied Territories Torturing and Jailing Palestinian Children

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  1. Khalil

    Khalil New Member

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    http://www.counterpunch.org/2013/10/22/torturing-and-jailing-palestinian-children/

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    Good post - exposing Israel's human rights violations.

    "A United Nations human rights body accused Israeli forces on Thursday of mistreating Palestinian children, including by torturing those in custody and using others as human shields.
    Palestinian children in the Gaza and the West Bank, captured by Israel in the 1967 war, are routinely denied registration of their birth and access to health care, decent schools and clean water, the UN Committee on the Rights of the Child said.
    "Palestinian children arrested by (Israeli) military and police are systematically subject to degrading treatment, and often to acts of torture, are interrogated in Hebrew, a language they did not understand, and sign confessions in Hebrew in order to be released," it said in a report.
    The Foreign Ministry said it had responded to a report by the UN children's agency UNICEF in March on ill-treatment of Palestinian minors and questioned whether the UN committee's investigation covered new ground.
    “If someone simply wants to magnify their political bias and political bashing of Israel not based on a new report, on work on the ground, but simply recycling old stuff, there is no importance in that," spokesman Yigal Palmor said.
    The report by the UN Committee on the Rights of the Child acknowledged Israel's national security concerns and noted that children on both sides of the conflict continue to be killed and wounded, but that more casualties are Palestinian.
    Most Palestinian children arrested are accused of having thrown stones, an offense which can carry a penalty of up to 20 years in prison, the committee said. Israeli soldiers had testified to the often arbitrary nature of the arrests, it said.
    The watchdog's 18 independent experts examined Israel's record of compliance with a 1990 treaty as part of its regular review of a pact signed by all nations except Somalia and the United States. An Israeli delegation attended the session.
    The UN committee regretted Israel's "persistent refusal" to respond to requests for information on children in the Palestinian territories and occupied Syrian Golan Heights since the last review in 2002.

    "Hundreds of Palestinian children have been killed and thousands injured over the reporting period as a result of the state party military operations, especially in Gaza where the state party proceeded to (conduct) air and naval strikes on densely populated areas with a significant presence of children, thus disregarding the principles of proportionality and distinction," the report said.


    http://www.jpost.com/Diplomacy-and-Politics/UN-Israel-tortures-detained-Palestinian-children-317210


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    There must be an equal,peaceful,humanistic,political solution to the conflict.This sitiation is not sustainable and acceptable....
    Military operations dont make any contribution to the conflicft.....
    I wish peace for all Palestinians and İsraelis....
     
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    Israel give to the Arabs money, water, electricity, materials for buildings.
    Israel doesnt target only Arabs children, they target whole people who try to harm Israelis citizens.
    In Gaza Street children in the past years had been harmed cause the terrorists hided behind children as schools, football stadiums, hospitals and have bonkers and canals. but in the past 2 years the non terrorists people was lower then other years, and even in the latest military operation there was no death from innocent people.
     
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    See what WHO says about the amount of water and the quality of water "given" to the Palestinians.
     
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    the water that the Arabs drink is the same water that Israelis citizens drink.
     
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    There have been too many water studies over the years (since 1952) by US Universities to quibble about this.

    Israel allows the Palestinians access to only a fraction of the shared water resources, which lie mostly in the occupied West Bank, while the unlawful Israeli settlements there receive virtually unlimited supplies. In Gaza the Israeli blockade has made an already dire situation worse,” said Donatella Rovera, Amnesty International’s researcher on Israel and the OPT.

    In a new extensive report, Amnesty International revealed the extent to which Israel’s discriminatory water policies and practices are denying Palestinians their right to access to water.

    Israel uses more than 80 per cent of the water from the Mountain Aquifer, the main source of underground water in Israel and the OPT, while restricting Palestinian access to a mere 20 per cent.

    The Mountain Aquifer is the only source for water for Palestinians in the West Bank, but only one of several for Israel, which also takes for itself all the water available from the Jordan River.

    http://www.amnesty.org/en/news-and-updates/report/israel-rations-palestinians-trickle-water-20091027
     
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    Since 1967, Israel has uprooted 800,000 olive trees belonging to Palestinians.

    The World Bank is reporting this. rotten strategy..
     
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    with Israel that support The West Bank with water and gaza Street dont forget that Iran, Hizbullah and Syria support The West Bank and Gaza street and also provide them all kind of sources.
    In The West Bank to Arabs settlements there is a wells that they also take from those water for them self.
    Israel also provide Gaza Street medicine aid so I dont really get it cause if Israel was an Apartheid how is that Israel provide all this kind of sources to Arabs? cause Apartheid dont provide these kind of things.
     
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    You forget that I have been to the Holy Land three times for 2 week visits. I remember what it was like before 1967..

    The UN warns that Gaza’s aquifer will become certifiably unusable by 2016 unless an immediate solution is implemented.

    An average of 160 million cubic meters (mcm) of water is taken from the aquifer per year, but it is only fed with 50-60 mcm from rainfall and water-runoff from the Hebron Hills every year, resulting in a huge gap between availability and usage. As a consequence, ground water levels have been falling, allowing seawater intrusion. Do you understand why the Dead Sea is retreating so dramatically????

    Maybe Jordan will solve the problem with their Red Sea Canal and hydroelectric desalination.
     
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    What is this thread BUT pure raciest BS.. Please .
    "I still have nighmares about the Israeli army invading my house" :roflol:
    Did they come with Tanks ? Special comando forces with RPG'S ?
    Give us a break !
    If Khalil does not want peace with the Israelis ( as most Palestinian Bedouin ) than let him carry on with his hatred propaganda
    against his neighbours.
    How many Israelis have nighmares from Hammas rockets ? From watching Arab suicide attacks ?
     
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    Then they might want to think a out taking the destruction of Israel from their Charters and making peace before they lose another few hundred of them.
     
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    Israel has destroyed at least 306 water wells in Gaza since 2005.
     
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    As Gaza heads for water crisis, desalination seen key



    With 90-95% of Strip's only aquifer contaminated by sewage, chemicals and seawater, public taps provide water for only about 20% of population, forcing many more residents to buy bottled water at a premium

    Reuters

    Published: 07.22.13,


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    A NASA study of satellite data released this year showed that between 2003 and 2009 the region lost 144 cubic km of stored freshwater – equivalent to the amount of water held in the Dead Sea – making an already bad situation much worse.

    But the situation in Gaza is particularly acute, with the United Nations warning that its sole aquifer might be unusable by 2016, with the damage potentially irreversible by 2020.



    Only 5 to 10% of the aquifer's water is presently deemed safe to drink, but even this can mix with poor quality water during distribution, making it good only for washing.



    "The tap water from the municipality is not fit to drink, and my husband is a kidney patient," said Sahar Moussa, a mother of three, who lives in a cramped, ramshackle house in Khan Younis in the southern Gaza Strip, near the Egyptian border.

    continued........

    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4399067,00.html
     
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    In the law of water in Israel say: All sources of water in Israel are public proparty.
    In the law of water in "Palestine" say: All sources of water in "Palestine" are public proparty.
    SO because of that law anyone can use the sources of water.

    From the agreement tat signed between Israel and Arabs in Gaza the conclusion was that all of sources of water that is in Gaza now the people in Gaza will control of it, and the managment of the local aquifer will be control by people of Gaza.
    in later agreement the conclusion was that Israel will provide Gaza 5% more then what she proveded so far.
    In 2005 after the disengagement Israel gave "Palestinian National Authority" 25 water wells that were belong to the settlements that were neer Gaza.
    In the West Bank so far Israel provided them 118 MCM but with an agreement that signed between them the conclusion was to increase the MCM with 70-80 MCM more and Israel recognize the rights that have "Palestinian National Authority" on the water wells.
    The addition MCM will be provide from the eastern aquifer.
    Even Israel will help to develop more water sources and dicrease the pollution in the water.
     
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    Here in Britain theres a saying , - "THe law is an Ass"

    but is Israel + occupied Palestinian lands , the Zionist Jews took it a step further by legitimizing their criminal deeds, by first stealing the land + its water , then
    pretending that the water are "Public property" meaning that the Jewish public have preferential rights - entitled to more water than the water supply to non-Jewish areas.

    Jews have been stealing both water and land from Palestinian territories since the creation of the Zionist state.


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    And if you keep on reading what i wrote in my comment you will see that:
    From the agreement tat signed between Israel and Arabs in Gaza the conclusion was that all of sources of water that is in Gaza now the people in Gaza will control of it, and the managment of the local aquifer will be control by people of Gaza.
    in later agreement the conclusion was that Israel will provide Gaza 5% more then what she proveded so far.
    In 2005 after the disengagement Israel gave "Palestinian National Authority" 25 water wells that were belong to the settlements that were neer Gaza.
    In the West Bank so far Israel provided them 118 MCM but with an agreement that signed between them the conclusion was to increase the MCM with 70-80 MCM more and Israel recognize the rights that have "Palestinian National Authority" on the water wells.
    The addition MCM will be provide from the eastern aquifer.
    Even Israel will help to develop more water sources and dicrease the pollution in the water.

    First of all Israel and in "Palestinian National Authority" is the same law. so how can you say Israel take adventege the law? If Israel take advantege of this law so also "Palestinian National Authority" take advantege of this law. and if they dont so your whole theory crushes.

    Second how Israel supply less water to "Palestinian National Authority" if in the agreement they between them Israel said they will increase the MCM for The West Bank and for Gaza Street and give the opportunity for the Arabs in Gaza and in The West Bank to control their water and even essist the West Bank to develope more water sources.

    which land Israel stole from the Arabs if even the UN in the Book of intarnational laws have paragraph 80 that say that San Remo Conference's conclusion will wtill be relevent nowadays and in the conclusion said that they give to Great Britain Mandate over The Land of Israel and in Balfour Declaration wrote that The West Bank is part of the upcoming country of Israel?


    If you dont know but after Israel astablished just then all the Arabs in Israel started to say that Israel is their land?
    Until 1948 the Arabs said that they dont belong to The Land of Israel and they here just to spraed Islam all over the Middle East.
     
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    Amnesty International.. WHO and the World Bank all agree that Israel deprives Palestinians water.. and EVERY study since 1952 at the university level warned against depleting water assets, pollution and destroying both the aquifers and the water table.
     
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    How are the facts racist? And how is jailing children and abusing them a joke to you?


    Hatred? Propaganda? These are well known facts.

    Here's another article I came across recently that you may enjoy about the jailings of Palestinian children in East Jerusalem:

     
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    These are very vague claims. You simply claim Israel's giving the Palestinians all these things, but you don't explain to what extent, and if this meets the needs of the occupied population - which it doesn't. Moreover, you don't mention how Israel has been, and continues to confiscate Palestinian resources and land.

    For example, Israel destroys Palestinian agricultural land. 25% of Palestine's agricultural income is from olive trees, and contributes to the livelihoods of 100,000 Palestinian families. OCHA oPt recent report indicates on this issue that "The difficulties created by access restrictions have been further compounded by Israeli-settler harassment and violence, both to Palestinians and their properties. From 2009 to the end of August 2013, 38,532 trees were destroyed or damaged in such incidents; there has been a 25 per cent increase in the number of olive trees damaged in 2013 compared to the previous year. Many incidents occur in agricultural areas that have
    been encroached onto by settlements, where farmers have already lost land and olive trees and are, therefore, more vulnerable to economic loss."

    Moreover, Israel's use of the water resources are deemed "discriminatory" by human rights organizations. Amnesty International states in the summary of their report that "While Palestinian daily water consumption barely reaches 70 litres a day per person, Israeli daily consumption is more than 300 litres per day, four times as much." and they add that "In some Palestinian villages, because their access to water has been so severely restricted, farmers are unable to cultivate the land ... Palestinian villagers are continuously struggling to find enough water for their basic needs, as the Israeli army often destroys their rainwater harvesting cisterns and confiscates their water tankers."

    And as you say "Israel doesn't only target Arab children" but nobody is making that argument. The article was about Israel's unjust behavior when it comes to imprisoning Palestinian children.
     
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    If you read my massages here you could see that I explained about water sources but here it again:
    From the agreement tat signed between Israel and Arabs in Gaza the conclusion was that all of sources of water that is in Gaza now the people in Gaza will control of it, and the managment of the local aquifer will be control by people of Gaza.
    in later agreement the conclusion was that Israel will provide Gaza 5% more then what she proveded so far.
    In 2005 after the disengagement Israel gave "Palestinian National Authority" 25 water wells that were belong to the settlements that were neer Gaza.
    In the West Bank so far Israel provided them 118 MCM but with an agreement that signed between them the conclusion was to increase the MCM with 70-80 MCM more and Israel recognize the rights that have "Palestinian National Authority" on the water wells.
    The addition MCM will be provide from the eastern aquifer.
    Even Israel will help to develop more water sources and dicrease the pollution in the water.

    In electricity Israel just yesterday finished the upgrading of the main electricity source in Gaza. The upgrading will lower the electricity problems in Gaza and expend the electricity trensportation from Israel to Gaza. Israel transport 125 megawatts daily to Gaza Street (before the upgrade).

    Olmert suggested to the Abu- Mazen 100% from the West Bank, Jerusalem will be divided, and much more, from UNESCO declareted that is "vicroty to humen kind" but Abu-Mazen didnt want to sign it and after the election in Israel and USA Saaib Arikat talked to Obama and said to him that he wanted that from now on all future agreement that will have with Israel will started from the point that Olmert and Abu-Mazen stopped, and he didnt want to accept it.

    The damages that is occuring to olive trees in The West Bank is not from Israel government but from Isrealis citizens. and Israel government are doing the best against this hooligans by arrest them.

    Is just 25% agricultural from olive trees ins because there is a large precent rom the Palestinians in The West Bank that deal with terrorisem.
    There is a lot of people that work in shops, in Coca Cola Fectury in The West Bank, policemen, and whole bunch of other works that Palestinians work in The West Bank. Palestinians not just work in okive trees.

    Israeli Army dont confiscates their water tankers. Israeli Army just do things against terrorists and in the rest of the day they are in their camp guarding.

    Israel take Palestinitan Children to investigation because they throw rocks at Israeli vehicles and stoppong the quit in The West Bank, Palestinian Children try to harm Israeli citizens so Israeli Army inquire them and then they realese them.
     
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    Why isn't the Israeli army protecting the property of the Palestinians from the settlers? They depend on the olive tree and have for 2 thousand years. They also make olive oil.

    The children didn't throw rocks before 1967... There is a problem when your homes and groves are destroyed by "settlers" and you have no legal recourse.........
     
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    stuntman Well-Known Member

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    The Israeli army protect the property of the Palestinians by arresting Israeli citizens that destroy olive trees.

    The Children throw rocks because of an hatering education that they gaven in The West Bank.
    Even in their mosques the man that call everybody all day to the mosque say hataring things against Israel.
     
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    Rarely does the IDF stop the settlers or arrest them.. If they did the settlers wouldn't have destroyed 800,000 olive trees since 1967.. many of them 100s of years old.
     
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    Thats another lie.

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    Israeli inaction enables settler violence against Palestinians



    The failure of Israeli authorities in the struggle against Jewish terrorism makes them its enablers. Yesh Din demands a special IDF deployment in order to protect Palestinians.

    By Yesh Din, written by Yossi Gurvitz
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    Yesh Din on Wednesday published its annual data sheet about law enforcement on Israeli civilians in the West Bank, and as usual, the data is not encouraging. You can see the full data sheet here.

    To make a long story short, between 2005 and 2013, the SHAI (Judea and Samaria/West Bank) District Police managed to obtain indictments only in 8.5 percent of the cases Yesh Din monitors, while showing impressive incompetence by closing 84 percent of the cases due to investigative failure. This is not new: the data repeats itself every year. There is only one category in which the SHAI police outshone itself in the last year: the losing of cases. Since 2005, the SHAI cops managed to physically lose eight of the files; five of them were lost last year.


    Yesh Din’s cases, it should be noted, represent just a small part of the offenses carried out by Israelis in the West Bank. The organization is not informed of all the incidents and even when it is, can’t handle all of them. The basic assumption should be that a case which is not actively followed by an Israeli attorney will suffer from negligence by the police, at the very least. The victim may not even be informed of the decision in the case.

    The clear conclusion, then, is that the law enforcement agencies of Israel do not deter the ideological felons in the West Bank at all. The latter have already devised the ideology of “price tag”: it says that any action the government takes, or is forced to take, against the settlements and illegal outposts will be followed by violence against Palestinians, carried out by settlers and their supporters. The goal is to make it clear to the government that if it bothers the settlers, they – or their supporters – will burst the bubble of false quiet in the West Bank.

    An effective and determined police force – and effectiveness is directly related to determination; the cops understand all too well the spirit of commands coming from the Prime Minister’s Office and the Internal Security Ministry, of the Government’s Counsel and the prosecution – would necessarily allocate the assets to quickly deal with Jewish terrorism. As of now, the police are incapable of deterring the ideological felons active in the West Bank. The energy of the felons, we emphasis, is not entirely directed toward “price tag” attacks: much of their violence is directed at the Palestinians residing in Areas B and C, the logical goal of which is to persuade them to abandon their lands, from which they can then be dispossessed.

    But the police are just part, and not necessarily an important part, of the problem. The effective sovereign in the West Bank – “he who stands in the sovereign’s shoes” – is the IDF. The police are empowered to act in the West Bank by an order of the commanding general of the Central Command. And the IDF dodges, time and time again, its responsibility to defend the Palestinian population from Jewish marauders – a duty imposed on it both by international law and the rulings of the High Court of Justice, as a result of it being the occupier.

    The army is supposed to remove several outposts in the coming months. History teaches us that such actions are followed by excessive violence towards Palestinians. Since the false evacuation in Havat Gilad (more on this to follow soon, hopefully) violence towards Palestinians in the region has spiked, and barely a day passes without an incident. In an attempt to prevent more Palestinians from joining the statistics of SHAI Police failures, Yesh Din called upon the commanding general, Central Command Maj.-Gen. Nitzan Alon in early June demanding that IDF forces in the West Bank be reinforced and redeployed anew, bearing the planned evacuations in mind.

    The following is an excerpt from the letter we sent:

    And therefore, we write to you urgently and demand that you allocate all the necessary assets to fulfill the obligation of the security forces to protect the lives, health and property of Palestinians in the next few months, particularly in the villages adjacent to the outposts about to be removed. Such deployment will prevent in advance the carrying out of ideological felonies in known friction areas.

    And in order to emphasize the army’s duty and responsibility, we added the following:

    Should the violent actions of settlers residing in the West Bank against Palestinians not be curtailed, we will consider the authorities, among them the military, who as we mentioned is in charge of securing the peace and safety of the Palestinian population in the West Bank, to be responsible by negligence for any damages; and we will recommend to the communities who consult us to sue them for damages.

    The government’s avoidance of its duty to evacuate Amona reaches new heights. As we mentioned, we already asked the court to hold the government in contempt. Assuming an evacuation takes place, we’ll see whether the IDF, at long last, will fulfill its obligation to protect the Palestinians. I am guardedly pessimistic.


    http://972mag.com/israeli-inaction-enables-settler-violence-against-palestinians/76374/

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