Lets first start from the question: who is the Palestinian people? The Palestinian people is first of all a group of people from Arab countries that was nomads without no Common characteristics except of their religion. The Arabs came to the land of Israel in the 7th century to spread the Muslim religion all over the Middle East. They are not a nation! to be a nation you have to fulfill all the requirements to be a nation: same language, same culture, same history, same religion, and because the Palestinian people they are just a group of people across Arab countries the only requirement that fulfill is same religion. The Arabs take the name of the Philistines, that was one of the enemy for the Judea Kingdom. now for the Jews: After they came to the land of Israel they stayed since nowadays. Even after the Roman Empire exile the Jews that lived in Israel still there was a minority of Jews in Israel. There is a part in the Jews history that called The Orthodox Period. On the Orthodox Period there was huge culture in Jerusalem and the people on that period lived mostly in Jerusalem but Jews even was in Jaffa, Acre and all kind of cities across Israel. The Jews was all along in Israel before, during and after the Arabs came to Israel. Now let me to refer to the name Palestine: Israel received the name Palestine from a Roman Emperor that want to vanish the name Israel and Judea from the world and therefore he called Israel Palestine and the people who lived there (the Jews) Palestinian People. The West Bank problem: So like we all know both sides tell that the West Bank is belong to them. so lets look on the history of this area. On the bible was describe the West Bank part of the Judea Kingdom. But if we leave what describe on the bible we even can see that the West Bank in belong to Israel according the UN. In 1920 was San Remo Conference, it was an international conference that one of the conclusion was that Israel will belong to Great Britain and she could to execute Balfour declaration. On this declaration describe that the state of Israel would be established on the land of Israel and the West Bank. Now to give this conclusion one more international verification the UN after San Remo Conference was over the UN wrote on their book of international lews paragraph that the UN declare that the San Remo Conference conclusions could not be able to lose their authenticity and because of that even now Israel can to append the West Bank. Israel and the West Bank today: A lot of people say that Israel dont give the Arabs human rights and Israel is an Apartheid, but let me ask you those questions: Does Israel is an Apartheid state even if Israel give to Gaza street and the West Bank water, electricity, fuel, the right to vote for their leader and a lot of other stuff? Does Israel is an Apartheid even if Israel give Arabs a citizenship and the right to vote inside Israel? Does Israel is an Apartheid even if she let the Arabs to found a political party and be one of the parties in Israel government? Does Israel is an Apartheid even when the IDF let the Arabs in the West Bank a free movement between Jenin, Ramallah and all other Arab cities in the West Bank? THINK ABOUT IT!!
Welcome stuntman. Palestinian Bedouins do not care about the truth. All they want is to spread their hatred. Israel is unfortunatly the best country in the M.E for Arabs. Most of them live like kings with nice B.M.W & Mercedes, most own big houses and have good life. I read that tens of thousands flew this summer to 5 star hotels in Turkey ( fifth column support of Turkey ). Israel is the light tower inside dark violence Middle east. Allways know this - The ONLY blooded hands that kill Arabs belong to Arabs.
Wrong - The Palestinians / Al -Filastini are - Muslim/Christians(Greek-Eastern Orthox/Armenian/Circassians etc. all the inhabitants - including Palestinian Jews )Sephardim/Mizrahim , thgose who inhabited that region of the former Ottoman empire which in 1918 became a British Mandate of PALESTINE - Before the influx of of Zion ist European AshkeNastie Jews before 1948 the was No such entity as Israel , The whole region has been under non-Jewish rule with non-Jewish majority population than its ever been according to BIblical /mythical "Israel" . Todays Jews are not Israelites. ===== .
Genetic analysis suggests that a majority of the Muslims of Palestine, inclusive of Arab citizens of Israel, are descendants of Christians, Jews and other earlier inhabitants of the southern Levant whose core may reach back to prehistoric times. A study of high-resolution haplotypes demonstrated that a substantial portion of Y chromosomes of Israeli Jews (70%) and of Palestinian Muslim Arabs (82%) belonged to the same chromosome pool.[31] Since the time of the Muslim conquests in the 7th century, religious conversions have resulted in Palestinians being predominantly Sunni Muslim by religious affiliation, though there is a significant Palestinian Christian minority of various Christian denominations, as well as Druze and a small Samaritan community. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_people Palestine was a province of Syria by 500 BC.. The Roams called Jerusalem Aelia Capitolina
At least they are only stuck in a 1940's type of time warp rather than the medieval one that many other Arabs are so it will only take a bit of education to bring them up to speed on how Israel is here to stay and that it matters little who was where when and how but rather that they are there where they are .... NOW. After that, and the realization that no matter what tricks and threats one makes it will not remove this reality, admitting that Israel has a right to exist and, to not support those who wish to destory her and every person living within, there might even be some progress towards peace. I typed this as slow as I could for these people Roadster, it will take a lot for the past sixty five years to catch up to them but, with the help of the internet, it may happen.
You probably dont know much about "The Palestinians". the maijority of Arabs that live in the West Bank say all the time they are dont belong to Israel. their true country is Jurden. There is a lot of cities in the West Bank that all of the Arabs there was Jews before the Arabs forced them to change their religion to Muslim and when they dont to that they were shoot. Here is a clip about the truth about "The Palestinians": [video=youtube;CbuM91PeSOs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbuM91PeSOs[/video] The name "Palestine" invented by a Roman Emperor that all what he wanted to do is to vanish the name Judea from earth. "Palestinians" is a FICTION. The Land of Israel became a British Mandate in 1918, but in 1920 in San Remo Conference the countries on that conference get to the conclusion that they allow Great Britain to astablish a Jewish country with the Balfour Declaraition and part of this country is the West Bank (even the UN confirmed it till this day) in The Land of Israel there wasnt a maijority of Jews but there were Jews there Whom is ruled here always gave the Jews the oportunity to fullfil their religion and their belifies. Even Muhammad, and also wrote it in The Qur'an.
Rubbish - I've been to Hebron/J'lem/Nablus - have a few Palestinian friends (Christians) I 've never heard any of the crap your lying Zionist thought controllers are spreading. The main FICTION is that the land was promised to the Jews by their god. Go read your bible and learn about Philistia + Philistines. in - Arabic = Filisteen . Dreck - it was nothing more than a promissory note from a British Cabinet Minister to a Jewish banker . It had no legal standing . The land did not belong to the British Govt. Really ? in which Surah .? I would suggest that you read the quran + quote the relevant Surah before making anymore daft statements by repeating Zionists hasbarist BS. More rubbish - you'l find that UN and also USA. righfully regard the West Bank as ILLEGA;LLY OCCUPIED territory including East J'lem that's why no country (inc.USA ) have kept their embassies in Tel-Aviv and refused moving it to the illegally annexed J'lem. ...... ......
The Arabs have been in Palestine since Abraham... long before Islam.. Where did you go to school? - - - Updated - - - Yes.. the Arab Jews left between 1948 and 1973.
If there was no Palestine , then which land was mentioned in your Messiah Lord Balfour's promise ? fyi - the Birth registrations/ ID Cards etc., described the inhabitants as Palestinians - i.e. Palestinian Druze/ Greek/ Maronites/Druze/Muslim - and PALESTINIAN JEWS - who've been a minority in that region since the year dot. ..... UNGA 181 was non-binding PROPOSAL subject to consultations/negotiation for which UN GA appointed Envoy Count Folke Bernadotte and who Jews promptly murdered when they realized his report was not entirely in their favour and they weren't getting as much as they wanted. .... ..
The Romans called it Aelia Capitolina .............. Do you know the Arabic word for farmers? Its Fellaheen or Fellahin... They were mostly farmers NOT Bedouin.
You probably didnt hear them say that to you cause they dont know about those kind of Arabs, cause those kinds of Arabs hide their Jewdish roots cause they dont want the Muslim Arabs know. and if they do they would kill them. The isue that god promise the Jews Israel i dont care about it. F*** IT! But I do care about the truth and about what is right. and whats right for Israel is that Israel is the land of the Jews and The West Bank is part of this country according to San Remo Conference's conclusion about the Britain Mandste. Id you dont know but The UN wrote on their book of international lews paragraph that the UN declare that the San Remo Conference conclusions could not be able to lose their authenticity and because of that even now Israel can to append the West Bank. This paragraph called- paragraph 80- look it up! Here is what Muhammad wrote in The Qur'an about Israel belong to the Jews: in Surah 5, paragraph 20-21 was written: Moses told to his people, my people, remember the grace god turned to you, by his founded prophets, and by created you kings, and by what he builded for you which he didnt builded for anyone else. My people come to holly land that god gave to you and never back down. In Surah 7 paragraph 136-137 was written: And then we took our vengeance upon them, because they denied our signs. we endowed our people that been persecuted from east to west on the land that god blessed. and was been taken place by his good about the sovereignty of the Israelites.... (this is refer when the israelites fleed from Egypt). There is a lot nore references about Israel belong to the Jews in The Quran: in Surah 17 paragraph 103-104 Here is what Muhammd about the Jews in The Quran: 2:122- Israelites, remember the grace that i have been tended to reised you from all other located on earth. 5:5- Today been allowed you the good food, and allowed you all the food that been given to those with the book before you. 27:26- This Quran been told the Israelites about all the things that divided by. 45:16- We gave the Israelites the book and the laws and the prophecy , and we supported them with our best things. and reised them from all those who located on earth. Here is what Muhammad tell to the Muslims how to traet Jews: 29:46- we wrangled with those who with the book by peace, say we believe what have been broughted us and you from the sky, and our god is one as their's, and we are devoted oneself. Just to let you know: I have The Quran in my house translated into English and Hebrew (all of The Quran), and I know whats writing there cause i read it couple of times. Palestinians never been in Canaan since Abraham. The Ishmaelites been in Canaan since Abraham. You confused a little bit. The Arab Jews- Mizrahim, the first that go to The Land of Israel was in the 16th Century after Spain Jewish exile.
Sure they were .. the Arabs were trading with Ramses Egypt and Mesopotamia when the Hebrew with still a Canaanite tribe... They began migrating from the Arabian Peninsula to the Levant and Syria over 6,000 years ago. I know you have heard of Petra and Madain Saleh.. Those were also Arabs called Nabateans... Your education is really lacking. Read Ezra... There were Arabs in Jerusalem after the Babylonian exile... and Sargon 2 settled four Arab tribes in Samaria circa 700 BC.
Herod the Great called The Land of Israel Palestine because he wanted to vanish the name Judea from the map. If you say Palestine you say The Land of Israel. but in history was never a country that ruled by Arabs that called Palestine ok? The Un proposal for the "Two States For Two Nations" accepted by the Jews but the Arabs didnt want this proposal. The Word "palestinians" that the Arabs in Israel named is from the name Philistines. they were one of the enemies of Judea Kingdom. Herod the Great called The Land of Israel Palestine after Simon bar Kokhba's rebellion and because Herod the great called The Land of Israel Palestine he changed the name from Aelia Capitolina to Palestine. the Arabs came to The Land of Israel after they were in verious places in the Middle East. After they came to The Land of Israel they stopped to be Bedouin and started to be farmers and they called them Fellaheen.
Herod the Great DIED in 4 BCE... Where did you get the idea that all Arabs were Bedouin? They weren't. They had symbiotic relationships with villages all over the Levant.
When The Israelites came to Canaan there were nomads. Madain Saleh is in Saudi Arabia and Petra is in Jurden. Before he sattled 92,000 People from Sirya in Samaria he loved the Israel Kingdom and his capital, Samaria. Because the rebellion that occured in Samaria he needed to exile most of the Israel Kingdom people and bring the 92,000 from Sirya. If you said all this to let me know that The Arabs came to The Land of Israel first i know in this naswer explain to you that its not true.
I didnt say all Arabs were Bedouin. What I said was that all Arabs that came to The Land of Israel where Bedoun. What you want to say with he (Herold the Great) died in 4 BCE?
The earliest coin evidence for the name Syria Palæstina comes from the period of emperor Marcus Aurelius Antoninus. Herodotus wrote in c. 450 BC in The Histories of a 'district of Syria, called Palaistinê" (whence Palaestina, from which Palestine is derived). And in c. 40 BC, the Roman-Jewish writer Philo of Alexandria wrote of the Jews in Palestine. After crushing the Bar Kokhba revolt, the Roman Emperor Hadrian applied the name Syria Palestina to the entire region, that had formerly included Iudaea Province. The city of Aelia Capitolina was built by the emperor Hadrian on the ruins of Jerusalem. The Palestinians are descendants of all who occupied Palestine.. they are a mix of Jew, Arab, Syrian, Greeks, Canaanites, Crusaders and Turks.. ... and so on.. and they have been there forever.
[ - ------------------------ Rubbish - we've been over that BS far too many times on this forum. ============= In his search for Jewish ancestry, Eran Elhaik says he has discovered that some Ashkenazis originated in the Khazar empire, not the kingdom of Judah http://www.haaretz.com/weekend/week...ple-s-ultimate-treasure-hunt.premium-1.490539 ======= " Jew and Israelite" are not synonyms. Jews are not even mentioned in the Jewish Bible. I admit I've not read/studied the Jewish bible , but according to some learned scholars, none of the legendary men, from King David to the prophets, were called ‘the Jews’. This ethnonym appears for the first and only time in the Bible in the Persian story of the very late Book of Esther. Its also said that the majority of modern day "Jews" - East Europeans are infact Yids, whose language was Yiddish. The Ancient biblical Hebrew tribes long ago dissappeared /assimilated with other nations/peoples , Canaanites/Persians/Khazars etc. the word "Jew" is never regarded as a synonym for "Judaean" (or "Judean") nor is "Judaean" regarded as a synonym for "Jew." The word has taken on a far different meaning, one wholly divorced from the original conception of the 18th century redactors. Origin of the word Jew "Strictly speaking, it is incorrect to call an ancient Israelite a "Jew" or to call a contemporary Jew an "Israelite" or a "Hebrew." The first Hebrews may not have been Jews at all," The Jewish Almanac (1980 Those who today call themselves "Jews" are not Israelites nor Hebrews . Most are Slavs/Khazars + mixed with other races . -------
Why you pro-Israeli or Israeli guys repeat the arguments constantly? What is use of it? What makes a group of people ''a nation'' and who decides this? How very strange to claim:There wasn't a state callled Palestine before İsrael established... Almost all Arabic States established during 1950's.... Almost exactly at the same time when Israel established.... By repeating the same arguments you can't change the feelings/understanding of Palestinian people......... They feel they are a nation.This is the important point which must be regarded by others....
Hadrian change the name to Palestine to vanish the name of Judea from earth cause he hate the Jews and also you can see it in his commands against the Jews (sorry that I mix and wrote that Harodotus did it). The Palestinians were never existed. Harodotus wrote Palestine by mentioned it as a geographic area. Maybe you can say he mentioned a nation like Philistines, but the Philistines were never been at his time and only left by a geographic area. Just that you know the Philistines were a nation that came to Canaan from Greece's islands 3,300 years ago. Their language was insulator that was close to the language in civilization from Creta. The Roman Empire not only called The Land of Israel Palestine, but there a various name that one of them is Samaria. Here is what Auni Bey Abdul-Hadi, Syrian Arab leader to British Peel Commission, 1937 said- Here is what Professor Philip Hitti, Arab historian, 1946 said- Here is what Representant of Saudi Arabia at the United Nations, 1956 said- Here is what Zuhair Muhsin, military commander of the PLO and member of the PLO Executive Council said- Jews came from an ethnic group that you could located them in area in the Levant that called The Land of Israel. The name of those who in this ethnic group is: Israelites, Jews, Habiru. Just that you will know if you say that Judaism is nothing so you can say Islam is nothing and also Christianity is nothing, cause the Islam and the Christianity grew from the Judaism. Yes you right the language for Jews is Yiddish but Hebrew is the holly language cause the bible was written in Hebrew. But you can find nowadays Jews that talk Yiddish and not Hebrew in Israel or outside it.
The concentration of human population at Tayma and its historic significance can be attributed to three primary reasons: the presence of the oasis and its ability to attract people and animals, its convenient location for a trade station on the incense route, and the fact that Tayma served as a residence of the Babylonian king Nabonidus in the mid-6th century BCE. Investigations have identified archaeological remains at Tayma ranging from flint scatters representing bead production dating to the 4th millennium BCE, through Middle Bronze Age (early 2nd millennium BCE) sites, up to and including Islamic period habitation. The vast array of written sources from this region are mostly Taymanitic (‘Thamudic’ and Aramaic inscriptions dating to the 1st millennium BCE. Assyrian sources attest to contacts between Arabian tribes and Assyria from the 9th century BCE. In the mid-8th century BCE, a written text found in the Middle Euphrates region mentions a caravan coming from Tayma. After that, it is accredited with paying tribute to the Assyrian king Tiglath-Pileser III. Assyrian and biblical sources identify Tayma as a trading post, and it was known to be a rival of Dedan (present day Khuraybah) for centuries. Documentation of Tayma’s relationship with the later Neo-Babylonian and Achaemenid empires is only weakly understood. Similarly, its relationships to regional powers like the Lihyanite kingdom survive only in limited records. During the Minaean period (ca 400 BCE), Tayma ceded authority to Dedan. Later it was subsumed under the Nabataean and Romano-Byzantine realms. http://saudi-archaeology.com/sites/tayma/
what makes group of people a nation is: same culture, same history, same language, same religion. The palestinians dont fulfilla all those requirements to become a nation. the only same requirement that they fulfill is same religion. (cause they came from various Arab countries. There wasnt a state called Palestine before Israel established cause this is a fact. The word Palestine invented by Hadrian, a Roman Emperor, to vanish the name Judea from earth. If you want to use the name Palestine use it but Palestine refer to a geographic area. If the Arabs in Israel feel they are Palestinians it is like you or I feel we are belong to the Hindu religion, but in fact we dont.
