What armed self defense really looks like.

Those guns used for "self-defense" are more likely to be used for intimidation. I suspect that if you throw in the mediating variable of redneckism, then guns are misused even more often.

 

Back door gun control.

Poorly executed.

If you want everyone to be trained then following successful training allow the trainer to provide the trainee with a document that allows the individual to purchase a weapon without having to pay any taxes on the weapon as well as the first thousand rounds of ammunition each month.

This serves two purposes. it encourages training in a possitive way and it defunds the government. Two problems solved.

 

So why support the system that insists that more firearms is a instant solution to all situations, especially when it's clear that philosophy was designed by the very people who make money from it's acceptance?

Taking guns out of the hands of criminals, and limiting them to the law-abiding, is a good way of ensuring that there are fewer victims overall. The fact that you don't understand this illustrates where the stupidity lies.

 

The stats don't support your position.

AboveAlpha

 

Maybe you have some stats that can support your claims. Here's some that support mine:

 

Excellent post, with evidence... That'll be a foreign concept to most folks on here.

For future reference, this link provides greater analysis and detail on the data collected: http://injuryprevention.bmj.com/content/6/4/263.full

Interesting to note some of the cases they chose to accept as self defense, annotated in the "Self Defense Gun Use" section, under table 3... None of these situations was life threatening.

 

The ONLY statistic that means anything is the one that say's Legally Heavily Armed Communities have a vastly lower rate of crime than communities where citizens are NOT armed.

AboveAlpha

 

Hmmm...one incident involving two morons.

I can provide a credible link that documents countless Americans using their inherent constitutional right to defend their lives and the lives of others daily.

Scroll down to Operation Self Defense - Officers say homeowner shot suspected robber in Coal Grove (OH) and read away.

 

Too late... Try the other links that have already been provided on this thread.

 

Can you support this claim?

How do you explain the fact that gun violence is more common in states with loose gun laws?

 

more Liberal insults and slurs, proving once again, Australia hasn't one clue abut America.....you got a source for this, of course?

 

I was referring to the video with wall-to-wall insults and slurs Did you bother to look at it?

 

not going to trawl through a thousand post to find what video you're talking about. Got some sort of reference?
Oh, and BTW, your statement about states with loosest gun laws is misleading, Washington DC, New York, LA, Chicago all belong to states who have the toughest gun laws and the worst gun-related crime. Might want to post the link to bolster your erroneous statement as well.

 

Which is why either guns or alcohol should be restricted

 

Both already are...you can't fix stupid

 

Actually they do

Just have to remember where I saw this

http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/firearms-research/policy/

Nope that was not it

http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/firearms-research/gun-threats-and-self-defense-gun-use-2/

Nope - that was not it….


AHHHH! Here it is!!

http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/firearms-research/gun-threats-and-self-defense-gun-use-2/

Can find more if you want…...

 

Any Survey or Poll using RANDOM GENERATED PHONE NUMBERS is not scientific in nature thus INVALID!!!!

AboveAlpha

 

THAT I know - why do you think I advocate for tough gun laws - because there are a LOT of stooped people out there.



Although to be honest we are all capable of a little bit of stupid



Although not usually THAT much lol lol lol

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Why? Marketers use that method all the time and get valid results

 

Marketers just keep working the calls until they get someone who will buy.

AboveAlpha

 

Oh! Darn! And here I was hoping that I was talking to someone who would actually google up an answer - of course knowing that the answer they would get is that random phone surveys have academic and statistical validity I was not really expecting a reversal of opinion

BTW are you really suggesting HARVARD UNIVERSITY does not know how to conduct research?

 

A truly scientific methodology would be to look at various communities...those with or without a citizenship that was armed....and then look at Gun Violence, Crime and Gun related deaths.

IN EVERY SCIENTIFIC STUDY EVER DONE USING THIS METHODOLOGY....it has been PROVEN that communities with a Highly Armed Citizenship have lower crime rates, gun violence and deaths.

AboveAlpha

 

Can supply that research too! Which is more than I can say you have done, You still have not validated your critique of the methodology

 

A Random Number Survey cannot guarantee that the calls cover entire areas of a community as if say 1000 random numbers happen to have 75% of the calls in an urban area...results are skewed.

AboveAlpha

 

And you STILL have no validation for your claims

Give me a link to a research site that backs your claims

Oh! And BTW - what are the odds of that happening - might as well google that too

 

This is simple mathematics.

Say you are taking a poll in a town to try to determine what the percentage of people of that town are in favor of building an large Condo Project.

Now the people who live near the spot where the condo will be built knowing their property values would drop would be against it unlike those across town in the business sector and outskirts are in favor of the Condo project as the added tax income would lower their property taxes.

Now if RANDOM NUMBERS are generated you cannot know that the locations of the people polled are either close or far away from this project thus if the numbers state the town wants it...and the probability exists that a higher percentage of the polled on either side of the issue exists....you have no scientific methodology to ensure accuracy.

Easy.

AboveAlpha