My family is full of birthers. Help?

Wow, just wow! LOL

I guess, legal immigrants never came here, had children on American soil(which makes them american citizens), and never held onto native cultural names.........when naming their kids. All those Muhammed's running around didn't come from Arab immigrants, they came from American bred families.

 

Respectfully- Barack Obama's citizenship and eligibility has been proven far, far more than any previous President.

There are no 'cloudy sources'- the State of Hawaii- the agency responsible for his birth documents has said clearly and consistantly since 2008 that Barack Obama was born in Hawaii.

And President Obama did not show the reporters a PDF of his birth certificate- he showed them the two original certified copies- one of which was photographed by reporter Savannah Guthrie.

So lets review- again

NEWS RELEASE
NEIL ABERCROMBIE
GOVERNOR
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: April 27, 2011
HAWAI‘I HEALTH DEPARTMENT GRANTS PRESIDENT OBAMA’S REQUEST FOR CERTIFIED COPIES OF ‘LONG FORM’ BIRTH CERTIFICATE
HONOLULU – The Hawai„i State Health Department recently complied with a request by President Barack Obama for certified copies of his original Certificate of Live Birth, which is sometimes referred to in the media as a “long form” birth certificate.

“We hope that issuing certified copies of the original Certificate of Live Birth to President Obama will end the numerous inquiries related to his birth in Hawai„i,” Hawai„i Health Director Loretta Fuddy said. “I have seen the original records filed at the Department of Health and attest to the authenticity of the certified copies the department provided to the President that further prove the fact that he was born in Hawai„i.”

On April 22, 2011, President Obama sent a letter to Director Fuddy, requesting two certified copies of his original Certificate of Live Birth. Also on that day, Judith Corley, the President‟s personal attorney, made the same request in writing on behalf of the President. (Letters from President Obama and Ms. Corley are attached).

On April 25, 2011, pursuant to President Obama‟s request, Director Fuddy personally witnessed the copying of the original Certificate of Live Birth and attested to the authenticity of the two copies. Dr. Alvin Onaka, the State Registrar, certified the copies.

President Obama authorized Ms. Corley to pick up the documents. On April 25, 2011, Ms. Corley appeared in person at the Hawai„i State Department of Health building in Honolulu, paid the requisite fee, and was given the two certified copies, a response letter from Director Fuddy to President Obama, and a receipt for payment. (Letter from Director Fuddy is attached).
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In June 2008, President Obama released his Certification of Live Birth, which is
sometimes referred to in the media as a “short form” birth certificate. Both documents
are legally sufficient evidence of birth in the State of Hawai„i, and both provide the
same fundamental information: President Obama was born in Honolulu, Hawai„i at 7:24
p.m. on August 4, 1961, to mother Stanley Ann Dunham and father Barack Hussein
Obama.

In 2001, the Hawai„i State Department of Health began computer-generating vital
statistics records. Since then, its longstanding policy and practice has been to issue and
provide only the computer-generated Certifications of Live Birth, and to not produce
photocopies of actual records to fulfill requests for certified copies of certificates.
Director Fuddy made an exception for President Obama by issuing copies of the original
birth certificate. The departmental policy to issue only computer-generated
Certifications of Live Birth remains in effect for all birth records that have been
computerized.

Director Fuddy, in her capacity as Health Director, has the legal
authority to approve the process by which copies of birth records are made.
“The exception made in this case to provide President Obama with a copy of his original
Certificate of Live Birth was done according to the letter of the law,” Attorney General
David Louie said. “Director Fuddy exercised her legal authority in a completely
appropriate manner in this unique circumstance. We will continue to maintain the strict
confidentiality requirements afforded to vital statistics records, such as birth certificates.
These requirements help protect the integrity of the records, and keep us all safe from
crimes, such as identity theft.”

Governor Neil Abercrombie stated: “Considering all of the investigations that have been
done and the information that has been provided, no rational person can question the
President‟s citizenship. We have found a way – once again – to confirm what we
already knew: the President was born here in Hawai„i. State officials of both parties
have verified that President Obama‟s birth records show that he was born in Honolulu.
“President Obama‟s mother and father were dear friends of mine, and we must respect
their memory. It is an insult to the President, his parents and to the Office to suggest
that he was not born in Hawai„i. The State of Hawai„i has done everything within our
legal ability to disabuse these conspiracy theorists. We granted the President‟s request
for certified copies of his birth certificate so we can all move on from this unfortunate
distraction and focus on the real issues affecting people today.”

For the other statements by the Department of Health Hawaii- confirming Barack Obama's birth in Hawaii- google it.

Respectfully- anyone who still has any doubts as to Barack Obama's place of birth after reading what the State of Hawaii has said will not be convinced by anything.

But I bet whoever is the Republican candidate for President in the next election, that they will just assume that he is eligible, and never ask for a lick of proof.

 

And one would assume if someone is being honest, then when that proof is offered to them, then they would change their beliefs. The ones that CANT change their beliefs get their intelligence called into question. They don't like it and call the other side "haters" for questioning their intelligence, but this is what happens when you CANT understand the evidence you are seeing.

 

I never said that, DID I? I said that I have never met anybody with the name Hussein in their name.

 

And I didn't say you did SAY that, did I?

Your IMPLICATION(which means you don't have to come out and say what you imply) was to assume that there are no immigrants here having children and then maintaining a sense of native culturalism by naming their children Muhammed, or some other cultural name.

 

Thank you for your post,
I know persons that have worked in 'halls of records' and Federal records buildings. The people that work there can walk up to any file drawer,book, volume or folder and open it up and move, throw away or modify any document(to the extent of their abilities) that they wish. Those records are only as secure as the clerical blue haired 'Mrs Nesbits' honesty and security savvy.
With a little street savvy and a single connection to an employee that works at BC records building I could have an employee remove an entire book volume and add or subtract to it as I wished and put it back.
Security cameras? What would they show? They would show Mrs Nesbit walking around and removing that same volume all the time for other persons in the volume!(not to mention that its 2 years later).

Again, on the face of things its suspicious that Obama waited 2 years to provide a long form BC. Lastly, the birthers have an actual interest if Obamas is actually a US citizen. The non birthers could care less. To the extent that its important for the POTUS to be a US citizen should be to the same extent the durability of his proof of citizenship.
I suppose that their isnt a more important position of authority that requires so little proofs of who you are as the POTUS.

Respectfully,

 

no evidence exists that is was forged or tampered with. the president didn't even have to show his birth certificate. But he did in june of 2008 which ended the matter.

 

Okay

None on paper - plenty of unwritten ones

I've encountered atheists who believe that a historical "Jesus never existed", despite this contradicting what virtually every major historian believes, and being basically a conspiracy theory on par with something like "Emperor Constantine never existed"

 

actually there is no question that he is an American.

because he never went by the name barry soetoro?

lol, Hussein as part of his name?

lol birthers.

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Obama proved beyond any and all doubt he was a natural born citizen. birthers are just morons.

 

The "did Jesus ever exist" question, needs to be taken into context.
Do you mean the Jesus, the son of God? Or do you mean some guy named Jesus, who called himself the son of god?

 

A historical Jesus - as in the man (whether or not he was actually the Son of God) didn't exist - some atheists promotes this idea even though pretty much all historians agree that a man named Jesus did exist

 

"Methinks thou doth protest too much!"

 

Thank you,

Thank you for your reply,
The entirety of tangible proofs of Obamas citizenship hangs on a singular document. A document that could easily be fabricated and placed into the volume of record of someone of moderate abilities. That document has not been seen by anyone unfriendly to Obama.
That volume of record isnt in Fort Knox, it isnt at NORAD and it isnt in some 'Mission Impossible-esque" bunker. It is held in a public building in Hawaii behind a door that is accessible by many persons over the course of years. As Ive said earlier, I know persons that worked in puiblic records.
But lets drop the BC for a moment and focus and the rheems of other irrefuteble proofs of his citizenship!!!!!.......................................................................
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?????

I havent seen any.
I suppose that I am alone here in that any proofs of Obamas citizenship should be of a durable quaility and that ALL citizens would have an interest in that proof being authentic.

Again, Im asking you to provide these other proofs.

Respectfully,


(this post is intended in the most friendly context and not abraiding).

 

Ok? I think it's pretty obvious there are stupid people in every single group, but that's pretty off topic, this thread is about how utterly stupid and the amount of belief that needs to be suspended to think that our duly elected president isn't a citizen.

It's a tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy theory with less supporting evidence than moon landing and truther garbage... which is frankly hard to believe.

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Seriously? No.... SERIOUSLY?

All of our citizenship hangs on our birth certificates and unless you are willing to believe that hundreds of officials in Hawaii were all willing to participate in this conspiracy then it has absolutely no merit whatsoever.

 

I know a man named Jesus myself.

 

So your saying Jesus (of Nazareth) didn't exist, even though nearly every historian agrees that he did?

Do you think Muhammed, and Buddha didn't exist?

 

You don't have to call them racist, 'ignorant' will work just fine. You could also tell them that I don't mind if Ted Cruz runs for president even tho he was born in Canada, is the son of a Cuban commie, and isn't even white.

 

What we have seen shown to us by Barack Obama are two copies of his legal birth certificates- either of which is sufficient to legally establish both his place of birth and his age.

This is the standard of proof for anyone. There is no 'proof' that you or I could offer up that would be in any way 'more' sufficient- that is all that either you or I or Barack Obama has that legally establishes place of birth and date of birth. Every other document is secondary.

These documents- and Barack Obama's place of birth have been confirmed by these Hawaiian officials:
The Republican Governor of Hawaii(and John McCain's Hawaii campaign chairwoman).
The Republican Director of Health of Hawaii
The current Demcratic Governor of Hawaii
The current Democrat Director of Health of Hawaii
The highest civil servant responsible for birth certificates- the Registrar of Records

5 people- Republican, Democrats, civil servant. Now you can choose to believe in some conspiracy theory that leads to all of them working on behalf of Senator and then President Obama, but that would just be a nutty conspiracy theory.

Oh did I mention the two birth announcements that were in the newspapers when Obama was born? They aren't proof of birth- but they do validate the records that are the proof of Obama's place of birth.

So I have given you the proofs. You like all good Birthers will ignore the proof, and focus on whatever anomaly that will reassure your belief that it is just not possible for Barack Obama to possibly be President.

But to most Americans- whether they approve of President Obama or not- Birthers are nutball conspiracy theorists- and of course that is what they are.

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Maybe you should read what I wrote one more time.

And then explain what any of this has to do with having a family of birthers?

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Methinks that he is just pointing out the reality that Birthers refuse to acknowledge.

 

You have led a very sheltered life.

Not sure what that has to do with the voters of America electing twice now a man named Barack Hussein Obama.

 

I am really curious.

What 'proofs' would you ever expect any candidate for President to provide as proof of eligiblity?

What 'proofs' would you ever accept?

You refuse to accept anything that Barack Obama has provided- what possible document would be acceptable to you?

And have you ever- and would you ever- ask any other candidate to provide the same document?

 

Birthers offend me

 

He has. It passed the legal burden of proof. The only burden it hasn't passed is the insane and delusional burden. Which says ignore the overwhelming evidence of the fact that he was born in Hawaii, when presented with evidence use the usual mundane and idiotic conspiratorial nonsense to discredit the evidence, and use completely tangential and unimportant points to support your position. Until Obama produces a birth video of himself being shoved out of his mothers vagina, with the name of hospital, the state, the country, the time, and the doctor all in the video. Until he emerges slimy, but holding an American flag and a bible, he won't be no Amurikan in my book!! No sirree!!

 

That surprises me!

 

Birtherism is something like the Salem witch trials. No about of proof will be accepted, for everything you bring forth will be looked at as phony. Once they have it in their mind you are a witch, you will either say you are a witch and they kill you, or you deny it and they'll torture you until you say you are (then they'll kill you for being a witch), or die.

There really is no reasoning with these people.

 

I am a seeker of truth, transparency, and open-mindedness with factual verification. I don't want to be a birther, but I don't want to be a gullible idiot either that is convinced to believe phoniness!