I'm getting uneasy about Obamacare even though I supported it.

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  1. Channe

    Channe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I hate to admit this, but as of late I've been having some uneasy feelings about Obamacare coming down the pike. Maybe it is the ephoria waverin of what's about to happen, maybe buyer's remorse. But the recent information that some people will indeed lose their doctors and coverage isn't sitting well with me.

    Another thing that's been bothering me is that Obama has moved the ACA away from being a simple insurance mandate to something very different. Feels like a bait and switch. Now, I can't stand the current health scam now where doctors and hospitals get to overcharge and flip the bill to the insurance companies who pass that onto higher premiums. And I don't like how millions without insurance who refuse to buy end up making us tax payers pick up their tab when they go to the ED.

    But that aside, I feel Obamacare is morphing into some bizzare goverment/public insurance hybrid that is only going to make it worse than it is now.

    I hope I'm wrong, I really do - but Obamacare isn't feeling right anymore. Maybe the conservatives were right about this being pushed too fast, too soon. I feel there is an instability in the market place due to Obamacare rushed entry.

    I'm not saying I'm disagreeing with the general premise of the insurance mandate, but maybe it's time to consider holding off on Obamacare until some things are fixed up.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    at first I loved ObamaCare.

    now? im very worried.
     
  3. Channe

    Channe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    the open exchange is also something i'm not understanding - there's no need for it if the mandate exists. Why not just make it so you have to either have health insurance or pay a fine. The exchange and now the dwelling into people's choices of health care providers is not what I expected. I would rather single payer than what I worry Obamacare is turning into.
     
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    Not worried a bit. It will eventually succeed.
     
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    Actually it's too late to hold off. Technically it's illegal for Obama to be picking and choosing what aspects of this law he enforces or let slides. It's damn well illegal for him to decide to let Unions off the hook. Legally congress would have to pass another bill cancelling out or putting on hold several aspects which Obama would then sign into law. But none of that is happening. What you are seeing is a rogue presidency (but it could just as easily have been something similar that a Republican president was doing) with a Legislative Body too fractured by partisan politics to do its job.

    That aside, yes; the mistake the Left made was to make sweeping and across the board changes overnight rather than introducing them gradually, one small legal change at a time, over the course of years . . . so that the economic system could adjust and so that people could grow accustomed to thinking about things in a different way. But the Dem leadership were giddy with power in 2009 and early 2010 and so they decided to play hardball politics and ram a very bad bill through the system. Now the damage has been done.
     
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    There are other problems with ACA. People are going to the web page and buying the cheapest insurance in order to save money. But they don't bother to check of their local hospital if they accept the insurance. Put another way. People should first check with their doctors and hospital in order to see which insurance their care givers accept. Then buy from the web page. So people will pay thru the nose for insurance that their care givers might not accept.

    I have a medical insurance background. The health insurance industry is a mess. Private insurance try every trick in the book in order to get out of paying. A typical technique is to create confusing arbitrary rules and then change them frequently. This gives the insurance company to the right to say "You don't not fill out form A so I can't pay you." Then thru into the mix the fact that we have 50 states all with their on regulations.

    So ACA will have a hard time feeding the necessary information to private insurance companies across 50 states. If you are a profession computer expert given the task to combine data from different companies you know how hard that can be. Now they want to do that at a national level. It is will be very difficult to get it to work.
     
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    TCassa89 Well-Known Member

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    I'm uneasy over Obamacare for these reasons -> http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=

    although I do see your point in some of the mandates being an issue as well.. for example, some people are mandated to pay for health coverage that includes acupuncture.... and the fact that some people are losing their old coverage over sleazy mandates like this is an issue

    of course all of this would not be such a big deal to me IF they took the profit out of the mandated plans, the same way every other country that uses the insurance mandate health system does

    it also bothers me that legislators have used the healthcare plan for their own profit

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/dec/05/obamacare-fowler-lobbyist-industry1


    “The interest of [businessmen] is always in some respects different from, and even opposite to, that of the public ... The proposal of any new law or regulation of commerce which comes from this order ... ought never to be adopted, till after having been long and carefully examined ... with the most suspicious attention. It comes from an order of men ... who have generally an interest to deceive and even oppress the public” - Adam Smith
     

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