In Quran, Allah the Muslim God promises Muslims Virgins with Large Breasts

I thought this was an important topic to make a separate thread about since many people don't know this Quranic verse.
This is the Quran, not the Hadith. The Quran is believed in by all Muslims and forms the core of all Islamic beliefs.

Quran 78:33 says:

Verify source translations (Quran.com)

Here as you can see Quran is saying that righteous or pious men will be rewarded with virgins with large breasts.
With regards to Virgins, Quran 56:36 describes these women as virgins (verify this on Quran.com). This is where the concept of "72 virgins" comes from as well. Quran promises Muslims virgins in Heaven. The exact number of Virgins (72, or 70 depending on the source) is described in 4 different Islamic sources (Sunan Ibn Majah, Zuhd (Book of Abstinence) 39, Al-Tirmidhi, Vol. 4, Ch. 21, No. 2687 - among others).

Coming back to the quoted verse, the Arabic word used in the verse quoted above is Kawaib which translations to Voluptuous. To remove any doubt that this is what the verse really says:

1. According to Tafsir al-Jalalayn "and buxom maidens (kawā‘ib is the plural of kā‘ib) of equal age (atrāb is the plural of tirb)".
2. Many Islamic scholars explain that they will have "large, round breasts which are not inclined to hang". (Al-Tirmidhi, Sunan al-Tirmidhi, Vol. 2.)
3. Ibn Kathir says: "This [Qur'an 78:33] means round breasts. They meant by this that the breasts of these girls will be fully rounded and not sagging, because they will be virgins, equal in age." (Ibn Kathir. Tafsir Ibn Kathir, Abridged, Volume 10 Surat At-Tagabun to the end of the Qur'an, 333-334.)

This confirms that indeed Allah the Muslim God has promised Muslim men, Virgins in Heaven with large breasts.

In Islamic literature, Heaven is described with a lot of details about its sexual characteristics. Here is another description of Islamic heaven:

In Islam there are many quotes relating to sex in this life and the after life. Muhammad himself said that he was given the strength of 40 men:

A few responses for people who defend Islam:
- "These verses are allegorical" - Response: The verses say what they say. We do not have the religious authority to decide whether a verse is allegorical or not. As proven in this case, the opinions of Islamic scholars confirm what Quran 78:33 is saying.
- "Other religions/faith systems have this too" - Response: this is not a valid argument. Two wrongs don't make a right. The topic here is what Islam promises to Muslims.
- "So what is wrong with that?" - Is it not disturbing that the God of a certain religion would promise its faithful followers Virgins with large breasts?

One topic to discuss here is how in this case promising sexual rewards to religious followers effects their society, psychology, their motivations and also their views of women (as sexual objects or posessions).

 

"Muhammad himself said that he was given the strength of 40 men:"
Yes, prophets often invent their religions so they can get more action, and if the women of that day saw him as a celestial super-stud then he'd get more women and young boys (who are "like pearls")

 

But what do the WOMEN get, I don't think that's spelled out....unless they are part of the 72 sex-slaves that each terrorist gets.

 

It is erotic poetry, there is a poster on these forums who believes that virgins are closer to godliness.

Early Christinity believed being a virgin was more preferable to Yahweh. Read the Song of a Solomon, it is titillating!
Hindus also have erotic poetry and there is tantra.
No way around it humans are sexual beings

 

"promises virgins with large breasts".....Hey! That's the same thing that Fox News promises.

 

If any of them are virgins then I'll convert to Fox News and praise Roger Ailes.

 

If you honestly think they're virgins then you don't get out very much, lol

 

just out of curiosity, since we don't do fox news in this sane country, are these recent pics of presenters?

I ask because the clothes and hair look roughly circa 1989.

 

Yes, conservative women are much prettier than liberal women:

http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi?read=72178

More proof feminism was started by ugly women enraged that men ignored them.

As for the 'prophet', like most founders of cults he was just a dirty old man.

 

well then, I should become a Muslim!!!!!!!!!

 

It isnt? I dont see what is disturbing about that. Sounds like a cool thing to have in heaven, lol. There are many disturbing things in Islam, this is not one of them.

 

Why do they even need a scholar to interpret for them. That is sick in of itself. If Allah is so strong and the only true god, why do they need someone to decipher for them? You read all this dreck about Mohammed being illiterate, they were an oral society to begin and this stuff was not even written down till 20 or so years after his death.

Also, history is not even a real thing. You especially can't veirfiy anything from an Oral tradition. All religion is f..k up in this way.

There is a book that called "The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind" by Julian Jaynes. I still have it. Great theory on how religious writings may have come into existence. It makes a lot of sense and an extremely interesting read. This book is also based in science.

 

I may have committed a few sins by reading that.

 

That is your opinion and opinions are like *********s, everybody's got one.

 

I am glad you started this thread. Thank you!

 

That poster could be an Islamic apologist and their unreferenced personal opinions and interpretations can be ignored.
No its not "erotic poetry". Its what it is: an arab man from 1400 years ago promising sexual rewards to those who believed in him being a prophet of God. Or as Paul7 said:
- As for the 'prophet', like most founders of cults he was just a dirty old man.

There's nothing poetic about the following things in the Quran:
- 4:34: "Beat your wife for disobedience"
- 5:38: "Cut off a thief's hands"
- 48:13: "If anyone refuses to believe in Muhammad, we have prepared for him a blazing fire"
Do you think a woman being abused or a man getting his hands cut off are thinking of poetry? No. When the thief's hand is being sliced off, do you think his blood is spurting out on the walls and writing out "Anthem for Doomed Youth" in calligraphic font? No.

These verses are simply evil and barbaric and not "poetic".
No one said there's nothing good in the Quran. Sure there is, it has to be there to be able to attract followers.

As for other faiths containing other things, thats not relevant for this topic.

Here you're basically saying "We cant make any judgements because we dont really know what happened or what was said, because it was so long ago".

Previously you have said that "If I believed in God I would convert to Islam"
Surely you based at least a large part of that conclusion on what actual Islamic texts say and not by anything else (such as, "what Muslims do on Friday night"). So what conclusions did you make and how?
Here's the main point > If you believe no judgements can be made about Islamic texts, then you no have reason or rationale to convert to Islam.

These texts are what we have and they are accepted by Muslims and everyone else. The Quran is the central core of Islam.
At the least, you cannot doubt well-known translations of the Quran. My post is based on that Quranic verse (78:33). The scholar quotes were only there to confirm what Quran 78:33 already says: "Voluptuous women of equal age." and I quoted that verse for you.

That's how things are for all ancient literature. They were written in the past, many times passed on from one person to the other and possibly being modified in the process (e.g. Sana'a manuscript) and today what we have is what we have. You're saying all the books and literature linked on the the Wikipedia page for Ancient Literature should be ignored and no opinions should be formed.

So if you have doubts like this, you can read the Quran by well-known translators or learn Arabic and use dictionaries and even then, your interpretations will not be superior to well-known translations who mostly agree on the meanings (for a certain verse) because you cannot have the combined knowledge that they have of the Arabic language.
Islamic apologists like Margot2 have said things like "those verses are allegorical" or make other excuses in their defense of Islam to which I said that they have no religious authority to say that and so their personal interpretations of Islam hold no weight or importance. For any topic we have to look what recognized scholars and translators say.

 

KA3B(كَعْ&#1576: meaning ankle(plural K3AB and K3UWBكعاب كعُو&#1576 and every protruding thing.especially for woman protruding breast is common usage and they are called KU3B كُعْب. KA3B كاعب is that woman whose breast have just protruded, young woman, plural KAWA3IB كَوَاعِبَ

Surat An-Naba' (The Tidings) - سورة النبإ

78:33
وَكَوَاعِبَ أَتْرَابًا
And full-breasted [companions] of equal age

ALLAH said,

Surat Al-Mā'idah (The Table Spread) - سورة المائدة

5:6
يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا إِذَا قُمْتُمْ إِلَى الصَّلَاةِ فَاغْسِلُوا وُجُوهَكُمْ وَأَيْدِيَكُمْ إِلَى الْمَرَافِقِ وَامْسَحُوا بِرُءُوسِكُمْ وَأَرْجُلَكُمْ إِلَى الْكَعْبَيْنِ ۚ وَإِن كُنتُمْ جُنُبًا فَاطَّهَّرُوا ۚ وَإِن كُنتُم مَّرْضَىٰ أَوْ عَلَىٰ سَفَرٍ أَوْ جَاءَ أَحَدٌ مِّنكُم مِّنَ الْغَائِطِ أَوْ لَامَسْتُمُ النِّسَاءَ فَلَمْ تَجِدُوا مَاءً فَتَيَمَّمُوا صَعِيدًا طَيِّبًا فَامْسَحُوا بِوُجُوهِكُمْ وَأَيْدِيكُم مِّنْهُ ۚ مَا يُرِيدُ اللَّهُ لِيَجْعَلَ عَلَيْكُم مِّنْ حَرَجٍ وَلَٰكِن يُرِيدُ لِيُطَهِّرَكُمْ وَلِيُتِمَّ نِعْمَتَهُ عَلَيْكُمْ لَعَلَّكُمْ تَشْكُرُونَ
O you who have believed, when you rise to [perform] prayer, wash your faces and your forearms to the elbows and wipe over your heads and wash your feet to the ankles. And if you are in a state of janabah, then purify yourselves. But if you are ill or on a journey or one of you comes from the place of relieving himself or you have contacted women and do not find water, then seek clean earth and wipe over your faces and hands with it. Allah does not intend to make difficulty for you, but He intends to purify you and complete His favor upon you that you may be grateful.
http://www.islamic-life.com/forums/mutaradifat-ul-quran-project/925-970-46-pages-5428/page2

78:33
This verse is stating that in heaven, women will not suffer from the affects of age as they do on this world. They will become youthful, and will show no signs of ageing, no signs of deformity etc.

 

Xaseui, this is a partial answer to your question. I hope it is enough for you to get the gist of it. Your question was a good one but it was hard to answer because that decision was made from massive amounts of accumulated data. I had to summarize. I am not sure If I did a very good job of it either. If you need clarification, just ask. To answer that properly I would have to spent days.

Yes, I am aware of all the horrific details and how pure they think the words are. Uncorrupted because it is the original text. No comparisons in human form. That is why no pictures of prophets should exist so they are not tempted to idolize the object. They do not have preachers like Christians, no churches. They have independence and free will (yeah, that is a lie but nevertheless, a damn good hook). There are holes in all of that (*)(*)(*)(*) and there is a reason. It was a product of the time. I get that.
I surely know it is all bull(*)(*)(*)(*). My answer was not based on the details. It was based on a sound understanding of human nature so I never have to answer any of your questions individually, all crap evil (*)(*)(*)(*), off the table.

Some things never change and that is human nature. Human nature does not change. Human Nature has not changed for millions of years as far as I know. Technology changes, how we transfer information changes, science changes with as new information is becomes available. Society’s change. Even the planets move position. Stars burn out. Different cultures, language change. Because of global communication, we are losing some of the more obscure languages. I expect over a long time, unless we take steps to save some of these languages through a sustained effort. Who knows, we could end of with one global language. All these things change. We unfortunately don't change. It is a delusion to thinks that we do,.

We are animals with a consciousness. We have WANTS and DESIRE (that is a biggie). Religion killed sex for women. It takes, what most of us do not possess, discipline and will power because all things are societal norms now. I do, you do, and we all bend to the will of the society that we depend for sustenance. Because if we don’t tow the line so to speak, we can’t rest. Most of us do not have the drive or the knowledge to change that internal struggle. It takes a lot of energy and knowledge to fight for and against our natural demons such as guilt, pain, pleasure, pride, honor, shame. One thought can keep us awake all night long with intense anxiety. When does pleasure become destructive. What is too much or not enough. How can I end this internal struggle and know what is right. This natural struggle goes on until the day we die.
Family, friends, jobs, basic needs like food, shelter, oh, the struggle goes on. That is why we turn to religion among others reasons.

Do you know how groups are formed and how they live on for thousands of years? What creates sustainable groups like Christianity and Islam. They all create a protective barrier to soften that internal struggle. It is as simple as that.

Now we have set rules, group culture, shared experiences. We crave these things, it is part of being conscious/nature. Religion set the rules and also gave us a family, tools to help with our internal struggles. Right and wrong are laid before our eyes, what more could one ask for. We can stop looking and start being, what relief!
Overtime, you start to realize, there is a cost to belonging to said group. If you make a mistake. You can be kicked out of the group (excommunicated) and sometimes even killed.

Religion uses the vary tools they hook you in with against you by shame, humiliation etc.. Now you are locked in forever, you must submit to the rules that you know are somehow are flawed. Much like battered women. It is all you know. Oh, the rewards are great and varied.

That is because we fear death and we want relief from this horrible internal struggle. WE WANT REWARDS AFTER THIS terrible earthly struggle.

I am no different, I get excited about parallel universes, string theory, oh the wonder of eternal bliss or eternal something. We all do this real or imagined.
This type of reward is too great to resist, we will rape, kill, steal, infanticide, honor killings to achieve our goal and it is part of our society (we detest accountability). Never knowing that is right there, inside of us. It was hiding inside of us all the time. We go to great lengths to belong. WE ALL belong to some kind of group that gives us the greatest reward. Every single one of us. Human nature at its finest.

We do not have to really know who we are “Really” not ever. We never have to face the utter nastiness of who we are. It is all taken care of for us. What is not to love about that. Now those nasty questions of life are still a struggle but to lose you family that guides you, your advisers as long as you never step over that invisible line.

I need to go into details about why I would choose Islam as my religion over all others. They are masters at this manipulation. It makes you feel unique. We humans love to be special. WE ALL feel superior to others. All of us. I know something you don’t, you little pis-sant. Oh the superiority, I am God King. You are unworthy of my pearls of wisdom. We hurt and kill one another everyday over this uniqueness we imagine we have over others.

I am going to end here because I am tired. Explaining how Islam does this best will take some.

 

You are talking to the choir my friend.

No,my answer had absolutely nothing to do with the text (not one bit) if you can understand it, it was written in hast and has lots of errors.

 

hi Vanishing, thanks for the time you took to write the response. You made points people will want to respond to.
You can ignore responding to most of my post but please do provide the additional details on Islam that you talked about.

Ok so you know the Islam has these lies and there are holes in what they say, etc. If the Islamic God existed, these lies would still be there. Would you still follow such a God who used lies to hook you into Islam?
Another thing is that these religions have different Gods. Allah is the Islamic God and is different from the Christian God. Richard Dawkins said everyone is just one god away from being an atheist since they disbelieve in all the other gods. They are not the same. If Allah was the same God as the Christian God he would not have said "If you are a Christian but "refuse accept Muhammad as a messenger, you will burn in Hell" (Quran 48:13 [italics applies to this verse])
If the Christian god was the same as Allah the Islamic God, he would not reveal religion version 2.0 (Islam) and say "Oops sorry, made some mistakes with Christianity. I need to try again".
So we know they're separate. I'm personally non-religious and will try not to alienate non-Muslim religious people but all of us have to accept that we have different views so here I go.

But religion is in decline. If you're thinking philosophically about star and human nature and universes, you should know that its all going to fade out. The non-religious are the fastest growing group in America (source - "The fastest growing "religious" group in America is made up of people with no religion at all, according to a Pew survey ")
Its like the Mafia in America. The graph goes up but good overcomes evil. It eventually does or atleast things always become better - this has been the trend for humans in every aspect of life. Crime, health, life span and so on.
So the power the Mafia had in America was 0 at some point, rose up to a peak and then died down. Religion may have reached its peak or its coming in the future but 2000 years from now (or any other time frame) it wont be here on Earth anymore. Remember, the fastest growing group in America is non-religious.
So the statement that Islam is self-sustaining is not correct. Malala's book will be banned in Pakistan (source). This is Islam showing its white flag once again. How long can it keep that up? It cant survive in the face of truth. Eventually in Pakistan too, the non-religious will be the fastest growing group.

I'm forgetting some really good links about this, whether we need religion or not but there are many which prove that we can do well without religion.

What more could we ask for? I say we could ask for complete freedom to evolve and define our own rules and not those dictated by some Arab man who promised us rivers of milk and honey, and women with large breasts and who wanted to have a lot of sex and power (he had dozens of wives and according to Islamic sources he was given the sexual strength of 30 or 40 or 100 men - one of those numbers).

Of course. People would love to have virgins (Quran 56:36) reclining on sofas eating grapes etc and all the other kinds of pleasures they could ask for.
But again, the fastest growing group is the non-religious. These people do not want rewards after they die. They know this is the only life they get and they have accepted it. For example non-religious marriages last longer than others (source). So its not like non-religious people are sad all the time thinking/knowing that they wont get any rewards after death and they'll disappear after death like they never were, before being born.
They accept that as (their) reality and they are basically as sad or happy as other people.
Is life a struggle? Sure, life is terminal. We get older and fade out in a sad way. We have all kinds of diseases trying to take us down. There are all kinds of discomforts from mild to strong, but that is life. It is what it is for us, and for the wild beast who tried to cross the river but got killed in a horrific manner by hungry crocodiles. Or the 230,000 who died in the Indonesian tsunami or the 1500 or so who have died in the recent Phillipines typhoon. Life and nature is random and indiscriminate. You might be going along the high way with your young wife in the passenger seat and suddenly a loose brick from a truck crashes into her head and she dies (true story in Russia happened in July 2012, there is a video of this - dont search for it, its tough to watch and hear).
So that is life. We have certain things under our control and certain things we dont. Its the way it is. It doesnt mean that the best way to cope with this is to convert to a faith, Islam, that promises us the maximum relief in the end from the pains we had in life.
To prove that Islam is the best choice to make in the face of the struggle called life, you would have to prove things like, "Muslims are the most happiest, well-adjusted people on Earth."

This is true only for the weaker people. Weaker people can threaten others with death if the strong ones leave Islam but as I said, eventually they will loose like the Mafia did. They cant survive in the long run. The age of the internet is here. Information is being shared. People are talking to others about the problems they're finding in Islam or whatever other religion.

Yes definitely, thats what you should explain to at least some extent if not in details.

If you want to feel superior, belong to the fastest growing non-religious growth (you are already a part of it but just saying thats the right group to belong to).
I dont know how you think seeing a Pedophile (Aisha) terrorist (Banu Qurayza) like Muhammad as a prophet of God is a strong point in any way.

In summary, if you're saying humans are weak, and have cravings of eternal life and Islam is dark and powerful and compared to other religions, makes the strongest promises to provide these things and Islam appears to be the strongest thug/boss in the room and thats why you would follow it, that doesnt make sense.
Its like glorifying the Mafia and saying something like, if the Mafia wasnt outlawed, you would be a part of it.
Or, its like saying if Hitler (Islamic god) was alive today and running for president, you would vote for him even though in your present state you know he murdered people and did all that damage.
So you saying "If God existed, I would convert to Islam", makes no sense but - I'll wait for your details on why you would choose Islam to see how that argument makes sense.

 

Ok, Vanishing Point.

The verse simply says "Women with large breasts". That is what it says.

You cannot add your own meanings to the Quran.

If what you say was the real meaning, Allah would have said it this way so I wouldn't be making a thread about this and creating problems for you so you have to defend your faith.
Also you cannot ignore what the scholars say about the verse. They continue to expand on it and add "so they will not sag".
And there are other quotes about Sexuality as it pertains to Islamic heaven - lets not forget those. The link cites all the Islamic sources and all of them are valid sources.

What if in additional to saying they will have large breasts, the Quran also said "Those women will also have big sexy behinds and moist and tight (you know what)".

Would you still say it was all just to say the women will always stay young? No it doesnt work that way, sorry.

 

Vanishing Point, I forgot to make one more point:

If God did exist, the following are possible:
- Islam is a religion from God
- Islam is a man-made creation. Others could also be man-made or not (a separate issue)

So if God existed, you can believe in him and just be a theist. You dont have to believe in Islam and you can have the view that Muhammad was just someone like Hitler and was not a prophet of God and was making a false claim by saying that he was.

 

Hang on, according to many, we Muslims are all into little girls - since when do little girls have large breasts?
When posting propaganda - Please get your stories in order so you don't look stupid.
Thank you.

 

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Yes, you get a lot of what I am trying to say but not all. I am so sorry about the errors. My computer has an issue and it is hard to catch all the mistakes. The cursor jumps around, I left some of it so you could see how maddening it is for me.
I have no desire to study Islam anymore. I went to the neighborhood, picked all the flowers I needed or wanted and went home. I will answer you soon. It is hard as hell with this computer acting like a spoiled child on crack but I will.

 

Let it go, because I am never going to adhere to ANY religious doctrine. I am in a good place right where I am.