Coercive Capitalism vs. Voluntary Socialism

Yes.

It is a not a baseless claim, but a self-evident truth. Government is a form of socialism.

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I should be more grateful for the wisdom of our Founding Fathers in limiting socialism, to paying the debts, and providing for the common defense and genera welfare, than I currently am.

 

Failing to distinguish between socialism and communism is also a fallacy.

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Our republican form of government is the means of production.

 

I'm not talking about river or air pollution. I'm talking about localized pollution that doesn't leave your property.

 

A person does not own the Earth as it is not a product of their labor. No person has the "right" to destroy what they do not own. It is a misconception when people believe that they have a Right of Property related to land. At best they can establish a limited "Right to Use the Land" but not an actual "Right of Ownership of the Land" because they didn't create the land with their labor.

It is an interesting historical note that in the founding of America the key proposition was the rejection of the "Divine Right of Kings" and yet when we refer to a person owning "title" to a piece of land that is based upon the Divine Right of Kings. The King was "given the land and the people by God" and, in turn, granted "title" to subordinates and that "title" also included land. Without thought the founders of America retained the "Divine Right of Kings" by granting "title" to land by the government but the "government" has no Right of Property and cannot grant "title" to land that it does not and cannot own. A government can exercise administrative authority a territory but it doesn't "own" the territory as it has no inalienable Rights that would be necessary to establish any claims of the "Right of Property" under the ideals upon which America was founded. Just a historical footnote but undeniably true and something that most Americans fail to understand.

 

You have no idea what the word fallacy means


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No. means of production are Farrms, factories,Offices etc

 

Who grows the food and supplies, who creates the news products and ideas, and who supplies all the free stuff for the socialists?

 

Of course I do; it is why I have a good argument and you don't.

 

No you don;t troll boy. You are too thick to realise that an assertion is not an argument and too thick to realise that a fallacy is a fault in an argument and not in fact.

If I said Ronnie Reagan was a Democrat -that would not be a fallacy -it would just be untrue.

If I said Ronnie reagan was the greatest president ever then that would not be an argument just an assertion. Being incredibly thick you can't understand this. Now you can go back to your pretentious crap about civil persons in an economic republic in several states.

 

Failing to distinguish between socialism and communism is also a fallacy.

 

Same old "Thinker", but with a new icon. You've got it just backwards, as you often have, dear opponent... What we really have in this country is COERCIVE SOCIALISM ,and, VOLUNTARY CAPITALISM.

Coercive Socialism? Prime example: Obamacare! In this fraudulent, manipulative socialist scheme, ALL MUST participate, exactly as dictated by the Socialist State -- in other words, COERCIVE. The State dictates the terms, conditions, and pricing of what's "acceptable" to the Federal Government, and what's not!

Voluntary Capitalism? Yes, because nobody, not even President Transparency has yet devised a way to force anybody to start a business, or take employment in any company or corporation. Nobody forces anybody else to work for a living in this country, Thinker!

In fact, under Obama, what we've seen is exactly the opposite -- people are encouraged to sit on their asses and enjoy the welfare-suck of many different kinds. It's a huge smorgasbord of welfare -- a gigantic, growing "Beggars' Banquet" of sloth, indolence, idleness, and incapacity -- all paid for by, ultimately, by self-supporting taxPAYERS who get stuck with the bill for all of it!

Oh, and you still need to direct your attention to the apostrophe, Thinker... the proper use of which will enhance your scholarly image.... Cheers!

 

How would that work, hypothetically speaking? Would a Firm be able to educate personnel according to the needs of that Firm; let's assume sufficient division of labor and specialization to accomplish the hypothetical mission of the Firm.

 

No it isn't, troll boy, fallacies are about unsound arguments not facts. You can;t actually make an argument. You just sound off nonsense about civil persons in our economy in several states

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Obama care is Coercive but it is NOT socialism.Speed limits are also corecive and not socialism

 

Obamacare is socialistic in that it involves the coercion of "wealth-redistribution". Thus, a man must pay for services needed only by women, and, a woman must pay for services needed only by men, the young must pay for services needed almost entirely by the old, etc., etc. Obamacare is also socialistic in that it requires "Nanny-state" mandatory enforcement features that are dictatorial, invasive, and tyrannical!

So we see that Obamacare is not a "choice", or the healthcare "alternative" trumpeted by Comrade Obama. No! It is an despicable example of the classic Marxist-Socialist maxim of, "From each according to his ability... to each according to his need!" Indeed, our American revolution against the English monarchy was fought to reject this kind of totalitarian, overbearing government, and, for the independence of a new nation made up of individuals with free will... not a herd of sheep with no control over our own destinies....

My European friends love to joke with me, saying, "You Americans don't really know what Socialism is!" Socialism in the United States is not yet as fully developed as it is in, say, Greece, Spain, France, or Italy. Correct. But many of us here are trying to isolate and remove this cancer before it threatens our national life. We don't want to be another Greece, Spain, France, or Italy....

 

Non sequiturs are usually considered fallacies. Failing to distinguish between socialism and communism is a fallacy since they are not necessarily the same thing.

 

Failing to distinguish between two concepts is neither a non sequiter nor a fallacy trollboy. Try harder.

 

Of course it is simply because they are not the same thing and could lead a line of reasoning to a fallacy of composition, as you are doing.

 

No one is failing to distinguish between socialism and communism and it is you that is unable to distinguish between socialism and government.

 

Not at all; I recognize the relevancy while those of the opposing view don't. In any case, government must be a form of socialism to the extent it accomplishes this via a social contract instead of a capital contract:

 

A social contract doesnt equate to socialism, silly.

 

Yes, it does; via the socialism necessary to ensure that government. Is it too simple and inconvenient for your propaganda and rhetoric?

 

Lets see you copy and paste any published source that equates government with socialism. Because, to be honest, the silly ideas bouncing around in that uneducated head of yours, have no credibility.

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Did you notice not even any mention of "socialism"

 

This Is a form of Socialism:

 

What silliness, it is governance. "to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed," Has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with socialism

 

justness of Social Powers is a form of Socialism, not Capitalism since that requires voluntary social transactions.

 

You are just too uneducated to understand that Socialism necessarily entails public ownership of themeans of production...Unfortunately you are too uneducated to understand what is meant by 'means of production' and can only repeat phrases ,such as 'non sequoters are usually considered fallacies' like some demented Parrot. No one here has ever seen any form of intelligent logical thought coming from you.

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No it isn't moronic troll.

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more meaningless drivel from a demented parrot.