Prediction: If not repealed, ACA will kill more people...

I'm not a Republican. I'm an Independent.

 

That doesn't change the history of the ACA. So what is your plan to fix health care?

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Any better ideas? This law is clearly bi-partisan.

 

So people should have the option to free ride, to not pay for health care, if they can get away with it....?
And if they need it, charge it to the taxpayers, is that the part you are going to miss?

 

Ah - yeah. REMOVE THE MANDATE. Make government-controlled health care available to those that want or need it. LEAVE THE REST OF US ALONE. And not one Republican voted for this sewage. Bi-partisan?

 

agree, REMOVE THE CONSERVATIVE MANDATE and give people the choice to have the Obama Public option

 

Wow, they're backing you up just this morning in the Sacramento Bee:

"Activist government spawns corruption opportunities"

 

Been to an emergency room lately?

 

LOL, it was created by Republicans in the 90s. Revisionist history much?

Government health care needs a funding source. Therefore, the option will be paid for with everyone's taxes. Let's just move to single-payer than? Cool, we are in agreement.

 

Then there's this example, one we never hope to see anywhere near our shores. Central social-justice-oriented Planning at its finest, folks!

Source.

 

When was the last time you leveled this complaint at Medicare? Isn't complaining about the way Medicare works in your partisan marching orders?

 

Do we really have to rehash state vs federal right now?
A single payer system will only allow access to a waiting list. There IS a difference between health insurance and actually seeing a doctor.

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Medicare is not a mandate.

 

your talking about government run hospitals not government run insurance.. when the consumer picks and chooses their own doctors, they can choose anyone they want... if they want to choose by least buzy vs most qualified, that is their choice

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So you approve, I mean that's what all the "conservatives" seem to want, let's keep what we have, isn't it?

 

So your solution is wait until you are in the emergency room to have health care? Great. That does nothing for the millions of Americans that are denied health care due to pre-existing conditions or cannot afford it on the individual market.

 

I guess it never occurred to you that Republicans aren't the only people who oppose Obamacare.

 

There is no easy solution. I would suggest that everybody needs access to food, shelter, and health care. I am not an uncompassionate person. The difference between you and me is I believe these things should be earned - not to be given away to people who may not believe these things should be earned. If there are unable to earn, there are already government-funded provisions in place. I am not against Medicare/Medicaid for those that need it. But to place our entire health care system under government control is not the answer.

 

Medicare is for the elderly, and requires you to be 65.. so they obviously need it.

Medicaid is for low income.. and paid for by your taxes. They obviously need it.

So if you have no problem with that.. how is health care any different? The fact that you have to work full-time in a 9-5 corporate America job to receive health benefits is bull(*)(*)(*)(*). It does nothing to help freelancers, small business owners starting out, people with pre-existing conditions, young college graduates stuck working 2-3 part time jobs. Come up with a solution for that.

ACA has its problems, but the main premise is introducing people to the individual market as a test run for single-payer universal health care.

 

Romney care has so few problems? Except of course for the fact that it is slowly eating the heart out of the Massachusets budget.

And The similarities between Romneycare and Harry and Nancy care few and far between. For instance Romneycare didn't outlaw any preexisting healthcare plans and we should also remember that Romneycare wasn't written by Romney but rather by the Democratically controlled Massachusetts legislature.

We should also remember that the individual mandate by the heritage foundation mandated that you have health coverage without mandating how much health care coverage you had to have or what sort of policy. Harry and nancy Care does exactly that.

At this point in time, it appears that all thse kids you want to sign up are going to qualify for Medicaid because they can't find jobs... So basically that new source of money you were looking for is simply going to bleed the system even further.

Based on current sign up trends Harry and nancy Care will create more scofflaws and tax cheats than even the Drug war which was also created by the left.

 

hmmm, so the republican solution is to let people die that can't afford health care?

the old system wasn't working, corps no longer want to fund health care

"Wal-Mart Memo Suggests Ways to Cut Employee Benefit Costs " 2005

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/26/business/26walmart.ready.html?pagewanted=all

"Wal-Mart executives said the memo was part of an effort to rein in benefit costs, which to Wall Street's dismay have soared by 15 percent a year on average since 2002. Like much of corporate America, Wal-Mart has been squeezed by soaring health costs. The proposed plan, if approved, would save the company more than $1 billion a year by 2011."

"Ms. Chambers acknowledged that 46 percent of the children of Wal-Mart's 1.33 million United States employees were uninsured or on Medicaid."

 

So, since I don't know how we should go about reforming the healthcare system, I have to agree with ObamaCare?

 

Whatever the solution to our health care delivery system it isn't adding more of the costs to the back of those not on medicare and medicaid while simultaneously reducing the amount paid for services by the government for Medicare and medicaid patients.

Medical costs are primarily driven by four factors, defensive medicine as a defense against civil suits, technology, access, and most importantly bureaucratic mandates. Obama care addresses none of those and in fact arguably drives expenses due to two of those higher.

By the way Obamacare doesn't give us a knew systemand merely multiplies the costs of the old one.

 

I don't know about that....but I DO believe it would end up being a lower standard of healthcare than most of the population enjoyed before. But that's what Socialists do.

 

And you are not making it any eaiser to reverse that trend............................

A 2009 Harvard study determined that 45,000 Americans died each year due to a lack of affordable health insurance. That's a new 9/11 every month.

 

No, that is not what socialist do, that is what capitalist do, and why we are getting Obama care for the uninsured. The germans enjoy 100% National Health Care, live longer lifespans and have more babys survive child births. I would say their standard of HC went up, not down. You seem to forget where we are coming from with private HC the most expensive in the world. And look what consumers got................

•Not only were HIV-positive Americans denied insurance due to rules against pre-existing conditions, but rape victims who were prescribed anti-AIDS drugs as a preventative measure were also denied coverage.

•A Pennsylvania man who lost his insurance after being fired was denied coverage because he had a defibrillator implanted in his heart. William Koehler died at the age of 57 when his defibrillator battery ran out because he couldn't afford the surgery to replace it.


•Insurance customers with serious conditions like brain tumors faced premiums and co-pays that nearly doubled following diagnoses -- and that's after the insurance companies often refused to cover certain procedures.


•Before the passage of the ACA, an estimated 105 million Americans were covered by policies that placed lifetime limits on benefits, forcing too many of them to forego life-saving procedures because insurance companies refused to continue paying the bills.

 

I don't have all the answers either, but I can look at results and 100% National Health Care is better than our private care system, that left millions uninsured and dying. Wanting something better should be an American trait, but it doesn't appear to be the case.

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I thought you still have the private option if you chose, so..............