The Young & Healthy Are NOT Signing Up for Obamcare....and Won't Be Signing Up

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  1. JP5

    JP5 Former Moderator Past Donor

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    Read this below. The young are simply NOT going to sign up for Obamcare. Many of them had catastrophic insurance though....and now that's been taken away due to Obamacare. Now they have nothing and will simply pay the fine......even though they don't want to do that. These are the young people who helped put Obama in office....twice. Obamacare was so ill-conceived it isn't even funny. And it was jammed down the throat of America solely by Democrats.....100% partisan. They demonized anyone who dared question it back then. And those who complained at Town Hall meetings in 2009 and said they didn't want it.....were demonized and continue to be demonized. Obamacare is NOT going to work. It's designed based on the young and healthy being in....and they are clearly not going to be in it in the numbers needed. It's a mess and to continue to get even worse. We need to repeal and replace. I don't see how one salvages something so screwed up and ill-conceived.


    "Preliminary figures suggest the Obama administration is falling far short of its goal of signing up the young, healthy and uninsured for ObamaCare.

    It's a problem that could undermine the rollout of the law even more than the glitch-ridden website.

    Experts say the health care program needs 40 percent of all enrollees to be between 18 and 34 years old -- a prized demographic known in the industry as the "young invincibles." They are considered young, healthy and relatively cheap to care for and are necessary to subsidize older and more expensive enrollees.

    While the administration isn't releasing numbers, of the six states that are keeping score, only 28 percent fit into the young and healthy demographic.

    Fox News spoke with some Los Angeles residents in that age group, who said for them, buying health insurance just doesn't make economic sense.

    "A lot of people can't afford it the way it is these days," one young man said.

    "I think a lot of young men my age nowadays probably don't really look into it," said another.

    Though the government plans to start fining people who don't sign up for coverage by March 31, 2014, experts say the numbers simply don't add up for many young people.

    Faced with expenses for rent, a car payment, auto insurance, food, and clothing, many would rather spend any leftover cash on travel, entertainment and even beer than drop $100 to $200 a month on something they don't think they'll need.

    Outside a Starbucks in Santa Monica, a 20-something observed, "six or seven of my friends are uninsured right now." A friend added, "I hate the fact that I'm going to have to pay the fine, but I'll pay the fine."

    That's because statistics show, the average uninsured male between the ages of 21 and 35 will see a physician as seldom as six times during that 14-year period, according to Carl Schramm, a former insurance company executive who now teaches economic policy at Syracuse University.

    For those who are insured, the New York health care consultant company Milliman says men 19-34 years old will see a doctor 1.8 times a year compared with women, who will on average see a doctor 3.6 times. The two data points suggest many young people may not see health insurance as necessary.

    "Most of them have zero health costs. In fact, the median health care spending for this group is exactly zero," said economist Douglas Holtz-Eakin, former head of the Congressional Budget Office.

    "Literally if they do the arithmetic, 80-85 percent will just say no ... pay the penalty and stay out of the Affordable Care Act," he said. "There's a long tradition of the young invincibles not buying insurance. Those who did buy insurance in polling that we've looked at said that if their premiums went up as much as 30 percent, they'd drop it."

    And for many, that is the case, since many had the minimal, catastrophic-care type policies that ObamaCare banned. Now they are being asked to buy better, albeit more expensive, health care policies.

    Holtz-Eakin says if the administration prices young people out of the market, taxpayers will have to kick in the difference."

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...s-to-sign-up-young-invincibles-for-obamacare/
     
  2. Gatewood

    Gatewood Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, the Washington Post was also going with a similar report and then it mysteriously vanished from their site, coincidental of course with Obama deciding to get on national television and again lie about how great things are going with his ObamaCare disaster. Fancy that!
     
  3. custer

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    Young, healthy American male here.

    Looks like Obamacare, or at least these new insurance prices on deductibles/premiums are ludicrous. They're trying to screw me!
    Obamacare can go (*)(*)(*)(*) itself. Thanks.
     
  4. nom de plume

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    The young and healthy, in a few more months after Obamacare is fully implemented, will indeed be signing up for it. Just like everyone else, they will have but one choice which is to spend one-third of their income to enroll in Obamacare or use one-third of their income to pay the fines for not enrolling in it. They just may as well spend the money for Obamacare, such as it is.
     
  5. Professor Peabody

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    1% is NOT 1/3rd, sorry your math is way off. But, they will be the same folks booting Democrats out in droves (again) come Nov 2014. 14 seats in the Senate and 34 in the House gets the Republicans a veto proof majority they'll need to repeal Obama Care, like it or not.
     
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    ...But Obama sez....Obama sez....hahahaha!
     
  7. nom de plume

    nom de plume New Member

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    Only one percent, and I can see that you are one of the millions who actually believe that.
     
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    I have made a number of posts over the past six months predicting this was going to happen........its ludicrous to think that a 28 year old is going to sign up for something he/she doesn't think they need and pay $300-$400 a month.......as opposed to a $95 fine 15 months away. It just proves that liberals are so out of touch with reality........as we are reminded every day here on PF.....I feel like the country is being run by kindergarteners........would be funny if it weren't so serious. The premiums for my small company just went up $10,0000........health insurance for my family is now $30,000 a year.........
     
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    What? You don't trust your government?

    https://www.healthcare.gov/what-if-someone-doesnt-have-health-coverage-in-2014/
     
  10. Professor Peabody

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    For 2014 that is.

     
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    The propaganda lies never stop. Catastrophic insurance is quite available under Obamacare.
     
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    More propaganda lies.

    Since Obamacare limits your health care expenditures to about 6% of your income.

    Here is the quote from CoveredCa.com for a 21 yo in Southern California making 16,000 per year, which is minimum wage full time.

    So when that 21 yo gets pregnant, alcohol poisoning at a frat party, gets drunk and crashes the car or falls off a rock, or any of the hundred other stuoid things young people do, the hospitals and doctors will get paid, and they don't need to get on the dole.

     
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    Although the REASON their expenditures are "zero" is because most simply don't pay the bills, just like they don;t pay for insurance.

    Doctors, hospitals, and the taxpayers spend plenty for irresponsible people.

    So young people can't afford $48 per MONTH to be responsible members of society!

    Our Republican friends are encouraging these people to be self responsible and self-reliant , right?

    Un, no. :roll:

    They are spending tens of millions or more on ad campaigns and thousands of monster booze and beer parties (probably sending some of the attendees to the hospital or pregnancy or STD clinics) to persuade and terrify young people into spending their money on booze and beer parties!

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    Yep, when your premiums increase 400% and deductible triples, it's a catastrophe. Thanks Obama.
     
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    Well I can tell ya those who are under 26 and their parents have insurance ain't signing up.
     
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    Yes, gun to the head...tyranny.
     
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    Not if you are 30 or above.
     
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    They are already signed up.
    I'm already signed up, I like my insurance, so I'm keeping it.
     
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    Yeah but it's bundled with crap that from one individual to the next is not going to need.

    It's like trying to buy cable and internet but you already have a cell phone... "Nope! You get the triple play or you pay triple for a deuce!"

    It's like wanting a burger and fries at McKingdom but you don't want a gallon of soda. "Nope! You get the Combo meal or we compound your sandwich+fries bill to cover other peoples badly needed gallon sodas!"

    It's just a subversive economic jab at the middle class by the economic goons that are "employed" by certain elements of the uppercrust. Undereducated and exploited mercenaries if you will.

    Real Mercs understand how commerce works;)...

    [video=youtube;DK-ENLjHBV4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DK-ENLjHBV4[/video]
     
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    Notice how he picks someone young and making $16,000 a year?

    Link to that Blue Shield Enhanced Silver 94 PPO information Dave?
     
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    $48 per month and ZERO deductible is TOO MUCH?

    Sure thing.
     
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    State your specific case. Inquiring minds want to know. And without all the fiddle please.
     
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    you're on your parents insurance? Of course you like your parents are paying for it.
     
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    Btw, how many Doctors were actually involved in drafting this bill?
     
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    Interesting math on this: They need 40% and they are getting 28%. That 'sounds' close (7 out of the 10 they need) but....

    Out of the 28% that DO sign up, only some are the marks in this long con. Some are very sick and will be net drains on the system. Some are women that will be birthin' babies and net drains as well. That 28%/40% needs to be discounted prolly by 6-8% so....they are getting 20% and they need 32%. It's proportionally much worse, just 6 out of the 10 needed.
     

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