Jesus was 'Palestinian messenger,' role model

Roman Historians? Um no the reverence shown towards Jesus in the NT makes it abundantly clear that it was not written by Pagans but by Christians.

I'm saying that the historocity of Jesus is questionable to say the least because there is not a single solitary contemporary non-Christian source as testament to his existence except for the proven forgery of Josephus's Testimonium.

 

The Philistines were along the coast.. The rest was a province of Syria.. Israel was a small city state within the province.... and for most of its history a client or vassal state under other empires.

 

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Awww look at the holocaust denying, Khazar conspiracy promoting, neo-Nazi propaganda posting overt anti-Semite not having a valid rebuttal once again.

Let's see how your claim that these peer reviewed scientific studies by reputable universities, scientists, and laboratories is "Zionist funded crap" stands up against the facts shall we?


Jewish and Middle Eastern non-Jewish populations share a common pool of Y-chromosome biallelic haplotypes

M. F. Hammer*†‡,
A. J. Redd*†,
E. T. Wood*†,
M. R. Bonner*,
H. Jarjanazi*,
T. Karafet*,
S. Santachiara-Benerecetti¶,
A. Oppenheim‖,
M. A. Jobling**,
T. Jenkins‡‡,
H. Ostrer††, and
B. Bonné-Tamir§

Author Affiliations

*Laboratory of Molecular Systematics and Evolution, University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ 85721; ¶Department of Genetics, Università degli Studi di Pavia, Pavia 27100, Italy; ‖Hadassah Medical School, Hebrew University of Jerusalem, Jerusalem 91120, Israel; **Department of Genetics, University of Leicester, Leicester LE1 7RH, England; ‡‡SAMIR, University of Witwatersrand, Johannesburg 2000, South Africa; ††Department of Pediatrics, New York University Medical Center, New York, NY 10016; and §Department of Human Genetics, Sackler School of Medicine, Ramat Aviv 69978, Israel

Communicated by Arno G. Motulsky, University of Washington, Seattle, WA (received for review November 17, 1999)

I guess the Laboratory of Molecular Systematics and Evolution, University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ 85721; ¶Department of Genetics, Università degli Studi di Pavia, Pavia 27100, Italy; **Department of Genetics, University of Leicester, Leicester LE1 7RH, England; ‡‡SAMIR, University of Witwatersrand, Johannesburg 2000, South Africa; ††Department of Pediatrics, New York University Medical Center, New York, NY 10016; and the peer review process of the University of Washington are all in on the Jewish conspiracy.

There were only two Israeli medical laboratories involved in the study the ‖Hadassah Medical School, Hebrew University of Jerusalem, Jerusalem 91120, Israel; and the §Department of Human Genetics, Sackler School of Medicine, Ramat Aviv 69978, Israel, so I guess that invalidates the entire study in the world of the rabid anti-Semite.

1. Atzmon G, Hao L, Pe'er I, Velez C, Pearlman A, Palamara PF, Morrow B, Friedman E, Oddoux C, Burns E, Ostrer H. "Abraham's children in the genome era: major Jewish diaspora populations comprise distinct genetic clusters with shared Middle Eastern ancestry." American Journal of Human Genetics 2010;86(6):850-859, doi:10.1016/j.ajhg.2010.04.015.
1) Department of Pediatrics, Human Genetics Program, NYU Langone Medical Center, New York, NY; 2) Department of Medicine, Albert Einstein College of Medicine, Bronx, NY; 3) Department of Computer Science, Columbia University, New York, NY; 4) Department of Genetics, Albert Einstein College of Medicine, Bronx, NY; 5) Chaim Sheba Medical Center, Tel Hashomer, Israel; 6) Center for Genome Informatics, New Jersey Medical School, University of Medicine and Dentistry of New Jersey, Newark, NJ.

I suppose the Department of Pediatrics, Human Genetics Program NYU Langone Medical Center, New York, NY; the Department of Medicine, Albert Einstein College of Medicine, Bronx, NY; the Department of Computer Science, Columbia University, New York, NY; the Department of Genetics, Albert Einstein College of Medicine, Bronx, NY; and the Center for Genome Informatics, New Jersey Medical School, University of Medicine and Dentistry of New Jersey, Newark, NJ are all Zionist mouthpieces as is the peer reviewed American Journal of Human Genetics.

In this case the only Israeli University involved in the study was Chaim Sheba Medical Center, Tel Hashomer, Israel; so I guess that once again the entire study is invalidated in the world of the rabid anti-Semite.

2. Behar DM, Metspalu M, Metspalu E, Rosset S, Parik J, Rootsi S, Chaubey G, Kutuev I, Yudkovsky G, Khusnutdinova EK, Balanovsky O, Semino O, Pereira L, Comas D, Gurwitz D, Bonne-Tamir B, Parfitt T, Hammer MF, Skorecki K, Villems R. "The genome-wide structure of the Jewish people." Nature 2010;466:238-242, doi:10.1038/nature09103. The Estonian Biocentre and Department of Evolutionary Biology, University of Tartu, Tartu 51010, Estonia, the Institute of Biochemistry and Genetics, Ufa Research Center, Russian Academy of Sciences, Ufa 450054, Russia, the Research Centre for Medical Genetics, Russian Academy of Medical Sciences, Moscow 115478, Russia, the Dipartimento di Genetica e Microbiologia, Università di Pavia, Pavia 27100, Italy, the Instituto de Patologia e Imunologia Molecular da Universidade do Porto (IPATIMUP), Porto 4200-465, Portugal, the Faculdade de Medicina, Universidade do Porto, Porto 4200-319, Portugal, the Institute of Evolutionary Biology (CSIC-UPF), CEXS-UPF-PRBB and CIBER de Epidemiología y Salud Pública, Barcelona 08003, Spain, the Department of the Languages and Cultures of the Near and Middle East, Faculty of Languages and Cultures, School of Oriental and African Studies (SOAS), University of London, London WC1H 0XG, UK, the ARL Division of Biotechnology, University of Arizona, Tucson, Arizona 85721, USA, the Molecular Medicine Laboratory, Rambam Health Care Campus, Haifa 31096, Israel, Department of Human Molecular Genetics and Biochemistry, Sackler Faculty of Medicine, Tel Aviv University, Tel Aviv 69978, Israel, the Department of Statistics and Operations Research, School of Mathematical Sciences, Tel Aviv University, Tel Aviv 69978, Israel, the Rappaport Faculty of Medicine and Research Institute, Technion – Israel Institute of Technology, Haifa 31096, Israel

I guess the Estonian Biocentre and Department of Evolutionary Biology, University of Tartu, Tartu 51010, Estonia, the Institute of Biochemistry and Genetics, Ufa Research Center, Russian Academy of Sciences, Ufa 450054, Russia, the Research Centre for Medical Genetics, Russian Academy of Medical Sciences, Moscow 115478, Russia, the Dipartimento di Genetica e Microbiologia, Università di Pavia, Pavia 27100, Italy, the Instituto de Patologia e Imunologia Molecular da Universidade do Porto (IPATIMUP), Porto 4200-465, Portugal, the Faculdade de Medicina, Universidade do Porto, Porto 4200-319, Portugal, the Institute of Evolutionary Biology (CSIC-UPF), CEXS-UPF-PRBB and CIBER de Epidemiología y Salud Pública, Barcelona 08003, Spain, the Department of the Languages and Cultures of the Near and Middle East, Faculty of Languages and Cultures, School of Oriental and African Studies (SOAS), University of London, London WC1H 0XG, UK, and the ARL Division of Biotechnology, University of Arizona, Tucson, Arizona 85721, USA, are all Zionist mouthpieces as is the peer reviewed Nature Magazine.

Uh oh in this case we have 4 Israeli out of total of 13 Universities involved in the study, they are the Molecular Medicine Laboratory, Rambam Health Care Campus, Haifa 31096, Israel, Department of Human Molecular Genetics and Biochemistry, Sackler Faculty of Medicine, Tel Aviv University, Tel Aviv 69978, Israel, the Department of Statistics and Operations Research, School of Mathematical Sciences, Tel Aviv University, Tel Aviv 69978, Israel, the Rappaport Faculty of Medicine and Research Institute, Technion – Israel Institute of Technology, Haifa 31096, Israel

 

No (*)(*)(*)(*), that image is based on the Alexander archetype upon which many depictions of historical characters has been based; such as, Michelangelo's David, in reality Jesus would most likely have looked like his Mediterranean counterparts, how this translates to Arab, I have no idea.

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The Philistine province did not encompass all of modern day Israel but only the Philistine region on the coast.

 

Israel has full and equal rights for all of its citizens regardless of race, creed, or gender, there are Arab members of the Knesset and Supreme Court, and Arabs have higher standards of living in Israel than in any Arab majority country on the planet.

 

Oldest, in this discussion oldest is the most important point as his assertion of the appearance of the Israelites of antiquity is based on the appearance of others within the region, and others within the region at that time would have most closely resembled the modern day Coptic and Maronite Christians and the Assyrians as they are the oldest surviving communities in the region.

 

" Palestinians strive for our freedom two millennia "
HUH ???
Palestrina AND THE REAL PEOPLE OF PALESTINA THE JEWS R ALREADY FREE !!!
SEE THIS LINK
https://www.google.co.il/search?q=j..._4oHACw&ved=0CDsQsAQ&biw=1143&bih=677&dpr=0.9

History
Construction 19 BCE
Engraving, 1850

According to the Tanakh, Solomon's Temple was built atop the Temple Mount in the 10th century BCE and destroyed by the Babylonians in 586 BCE, and the Second Temple completed and dedicated in 516 BCE. Around 19 BCE Herod the Great began a massive expansion project on the Temple Mount. In addition to renovating and enlarging the Temple, he artificially expanded the platform on which it stood, resulting in an enlarged enclosure. Today's Western Wall formed part of the retaining perimeter wall of this platform. In 2011, Israeli archaeologists announced the discovery of Roman coins minted well after Herod's death found under the massive Meleke foundation stones in the southern section of the wall inside a ritual bath which predates the construction of the renovated Temple Mount complex and was filled in to support the new walls.[13] This indicates that Herod did not build the entire wall and that construction was not close to being complete when he died. The find confirms the description by historian Josephus Flavius, which states that construction was finished only during the reign of King Agrippa II, Herod’s great-grandson.[14] Herod's Temple was destroyed by the Roman Empire, along with the rest of Jerusalem, in 70 CE, during the First Jewish-Roman War.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Wall

 

Except Jews and their ancestors have had an unbroken presence in the Levant for that entire 10,000 years.

A) Yes anyone can convert to Judaism.

B) That does not in any way change the fact that the overwhelming majority of Jews can trace their lineage directly to the neolithic Levant.

Except that it doesn't because genetic testing proves conclusively that the Arabs calling themselves Palestinians are not indigenous to the Levant but to the Arabian peninsula, I know facts are stubborn things Marlowe but outside of the IHR and various other neo-Nazi rags we deal in facts not conspiracy theories.



The genome-wide structure of the Jewish people
Doron M. Behar1,2*, Bayazit Yunusbayev2,3*, Mait Metspalu2*, Ene Metspalu2, Saharon Rosset4, Ju¨ri Parik2,
Siiri Rootsi2, Gyaneshwer Chaubey2, Ildus Kutuev2,3, Guennady Yudkovsky1,5, Elza K. Khusnutdinova3,
Oleg Balanovsky6, Ornella Semino7, Luisa Pereira8,9, David Comas10, David Gurwitz11, Batsheva Bonne-Tamir11,
Tudor Parfitt12, Michael F. Hammer13, Karl Skorecki1,5 & Richard Villems2


Populations of the Caucasus,
flanked by Cypriots, form an almost uninterrupted rim that separates
the bulk of Europeans from Middle Eastern populations. Bedouins,
Jordanians, Palestinians and Saudi Arabians are located in close
proximity to each other, which is consistent with a common origin
in the Arabian Peninsula25,

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...MK7x7gCdz_nac20ihIKaOEw&bvm=bv.49784469,d.eWU

 

that's right, you did say the wrong Jews were killed in the Holocaust.

 

Except that they are not the indigenous inhabitants of the area, they haven't had an unbroken presence there for 2,000 years, and the majority of the lands are not under international mandate and administration with the right of partition. Call me when you start objecting to the far more destructive partition of India which is based on nothing more than 1000+ years of Islamic Imperialist expansionism, conquest, and genocide of the indigenous peoples.

 

Stop posting bull(*)(*)(*)(*) lies, nothing was stolen, the majority of land was either British crown lands or owned outright by Jews, it wasn't stolen it was partitioned in accordance with international law.

 

The English Crown didn't own any land in Palestine........

 

lmfao he lived in the 3rd century BC he was not a contemporary source.

A) Provide the contemporary Jewish source outside of the Testimonium of Josephus which is a proven forgery for the existence of Jesus.

B) Yeshu is not the name for the Jesus of the NT:

http://www.angelfire.com/mt/talmud/jesusnarr.html

Um yes we all know that the Romans after destroying the temple and expelling the Jews renamed the area to Palestinia after the Israelites historic enemy.

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It was under their administration and partition of the land was under their jurisdiction. The Arabs didn't own the land they were public lands under British sovereignty.

 

i'm sure many did - i just used the countries that came to my head

 

Every inch of arable land was under cultivation by Palestinian farmers from before the time of the Romans.

The repaired the Roman terraces and irrigation systems.

 

What an absurd claim. Only demonstrates your detachment from reality.

 

Dixon.. have you seen the ancient terraces built by the Romans in Palestine?

 

Very interesting - But were they JEWS ? how could they have been JEWS before Moses received the Tablets ? + Before the Kingdom of Judah ?

imo _ " Jew/Hebrew and Israelite" are not synonyms. Jews are not even mentioned in the Jewish Bible. I admit I've not read the Jewish bible , but according to some learned scholars, none of the legendary men, from Josef / Moses / King David to the prophets, were called ‘the Jews’. This ethnonym appears for the first and only time in the Bible in the Persian story of the very late Book of Esther.

The term "Jew " originated after the first Jewish civil War when Judah/Judea broke away from the biblical " Kingdom of Israel" Nevertheless, its doubtful that modern day people who call themselves "Jews" are really descended from Ancient Jews .
Its also said that the majority of modern day "Jews" - East Europeans are in fact Yids, whose language was Yiddish.
The Ancient biblical Hebrew tribes disappeared many centuries ago , /assimilated with other nations/peoples ,Arabs /Persians/Khazars/ - wotever

 

Stick with your assertion and try to resist dashing off to irrelevant tangents in order to avoid them. Ive seen the arable land that every square inch of was not cultivated.

 

They had a temple on the island..

 

Jews aren't mentioned in the Jewish scriptures?

lol!!!!!

2 Kings 16:6 (The NKJV says "men of Judah" rather than "Jews")
2 Kings 18:26 and 28 (Referring to "the Jews' language;" NKJV says "Hebrew")
2 Kings 25:25
2 Chronicles 32:18
Ezra 4:12 and 23
Ezra 5:1 and 5
Ezra 6:7, 8, and 14
Nehemiah 1:2
Ne. 2:16
Ne. 4:1, 2 and 12
Ne. 5:1, 8 and 17
Ne. 6:6
Ne. 13:23 and 24
Esther 2:5
Esther 3:4, 6, 10 and 13
Esther 4:3, 7, 13, 14 and 16
Esther 5:13
Esther 6:10 and 13
Esther 8:1, 3, 5, 7, 8, 9, 11, 13, 16 and 17
Esther 9:1, 2, 3, 5, 6, 10, 12, 13, 15, 16, 18, 19, 20, 22, 23, 24, 25, 27, 28, 29, 30 and 31
Esther 10:3
Isaiah 36:11 and 13
Jeremiah 32:12
Jer. 34:9
Jer. 38:19
Jer. 40:11, 12 and 15
Jer. 41:3
Jer. 44:1
Jer. 52:28 and 30
Daniel 3:8 and 12
Zechariah 8:23

 

Looks like you've failed to watch the full video for your convenience I repost :

" The face of Jesus is reconstructed from a male Jewish skull dating from the 1st century AD. This BBC reconstruction from the series 'Son of God'

tries to use the hair style, eye colour and skin tone of a typical adult male from that period and from Palestine

. Of course, as the skull is not that of Jesus the reconstruction is that of a Jewish man of the period, rather than the actual face of Jesus. However, this is probably the most accurate image of what Christ (or the average Judean ) might have looked like.



[video=youtube;n2-0jU2-m6I]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2-0jU2-m6I[/video]

Watch - listen and learn ( that is if any new information can penetrate )

Tata

 

Pls read my post again I think I did mention Esther onwards ;

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I'm not a Hebrew student - are you ? IMO - it depends on the translation/version - WOT ? Hebrews and "Jews " are not synonyms .

Only going by those who, I'm sure are more learned that either of us . (wink)


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What a "Jewish Temple " even before Moses/Solomon /David etc, ?


Strange that todays Jews believe that they've onle had two temples . (smile)

 

I don't disagree. I guess to tell you the truth as well, I don't really know anymore what is and is not even remotely true. Lol.

But I guess the issue is how far back do we go to determine anyone's claim to being indigenous and to we apply that same test to all or just some?