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Explosions as North Dakota oil train derails

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  1. Margot2

    Margot2 Banned

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    There are more details and photos from BBC here.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-25556061

    This seems to be about 25 miles from Fargo and a huge mess.

    Explosions as North Dakota freight train derails3 hours ago

    Wagons from a mile-long train carrying crude oil have burst into flames as they derailed after a collision in the US state of North Dakota.

    A plume of thick black smoke could be seen many miles away and explosions were heard.

    No injuries were reported, but officials ordered the evacuation of about 300 people from the nearby town of Casselton as a precaution.

    Amateur footage caught some of the explosions.

    Read more

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-25557024

    Huge fire after US oil train derails in North Dakota
     
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    Grokmaster Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Shame we didn't have the KEYSTONE PIPELINE in place ,already.

    Thanks, Obama/EPA.

    Friggin' IDIOTS...
     
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    Yes, because pipelines never burst. Also, pipelines don't remove the use of trains....but then, you knew that....I hope.


    BTW, going to be tough for Sean Hannity and the others who push the "North Dakota Miracle" line on "Drill, Baby, Drill" to talk it up this week, isn't it?
     
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  4. Professor Peabody

    Professor Peabody Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Even the spoksman for the Sierra Club admits that transporting oil by rail or truck is much more dangerous than by pipeline. Obama's pal Warren Buffett's Berkshire Hathaway owns BNSF Railroad. I can only wonder if they will get fined and have to pay for the entire clean up? Or because Buffett is a big Obama supporter his railroad will be convieniently ignored by the EPA?
     
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    Uh-oh! More oil spilled in one accident than in a generation of pipeline operations.
     
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    eh....its just North Dakota
     
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    This train derailment and explosion is clearly a plot by the Administration to destroy the US internally.

    Also, the Titans will win the Super Bowl next year

    /sarcasm
     
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    I would think that most of it burned/is burning off which is not the worst thing in the world.
     
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  9. Margot2

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    Sorry .. pipelines have had many, may failures in the US.. Do a search.. The last I recall vividly was on the Yellowstone River. What a bloody mess.
     
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    Taxcutter says:
    Open burning of crude oil on the ground results in mucho emissions of PM2.5, unburned hydrocarbons (VOC), NOx, and sulfur dioxide.
     
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    Taxcutter says:
    It wasn't 10,000 tons of crude oil burning, generating lots of air pollution.
     
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    More or less than train/truck accidents?
     
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    Smevins says: Still cheaper and faster than removing the contaminated soil and shipping it off to be burned in an incinerator while bring in new dirt to fill the big ol' hole you made.
     
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  14. Margot2

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    Actually it polluted the river. the river banks and all the feeder streams.. It still hasn't been successfully cleaned up.. far more difficult than an offshore spill. Look it up.
     
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    Taxcutter says:
    Maybe.

    But the scale was at least two orders of magnitude smaller.
     
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    According to the article the derailment was caused by one train hitting another, the fact one train was carrying oil is rather irrelevant. The problem is someone somewhere screwed this up big time, as trains aren't supposed to be hitting each other at all. In essence, oil had nothing to do with the derailment, which is the real problem, and became the story simply because of the explosions.
     
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    More.. But, the crude from ND is about the consistency of fudge and is highly corrosive.. further it has to be thinned with imported crude to pass thru the pipelines.

    There is just NO easy solution.. but high prices would allow for better pipeline monitoring and mgmt.

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    Just look it up and decide for yourself.. I am not the last word on these matters and don't pretend to be.
     
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    You claim pipelines have MORE accidents, link to proof from a reliable news source please.

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    You claim pipelines have MORE accidents, link to proof from a reliable news source please.
     
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    I am just tired of you..

    I expect adults to do their homework and come to their own conclusions.
     
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    The Yellowstone oil spill was 63,000 gallons - about 250 tons.

    Unit trains carry 10,000 tons of cargo. That makes this spill forty times as large.
     
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    = I can't back up my claim that aligns with my agenda, so I will just dismiss you.

    You are right, somebody isn't acting like an adult.
     
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    If you have some interest in this subject.. study. Its what is expected of adults.
     
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    You can get as tired as you want of making baseless assertions, I NEVER get tired of challenging those that make them. Now, you can back up the assertions that trains/trucks have more accidents than pipelines or NOT. I recommend that you do back it up if it's true and retract it if it's not. I have already posted a statement made by the spokesman of the Sierra Club.........

    I too expect adult posters to do their homework before posting FALSE assertions on this forum. If you are tired of me challenging false assertions then simply don't make them.

    Pipelines Are Safest For Transportation of Oil and Gas
     
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