Israelis should trust NOBODY but themselves. Muslims and Arabs have 52 huge countries !! That's more than enough !!
Isn't it the US that is blocking the UN resolution recognizing Palestine as a full member state? If so, then if the US changes its position on this and allows the creation of a Palestinian state, the Palestinians will have a more level playing field, and the UN, Palestine, Israel, the Arab league, and the US can all be involved in the details of borders, border protection, citizenship, etc. Seems like all Kerry really has to do is thumb his nose at Netanyahu and snap his fingers.
U R RIGHT TOMMY GOOD IDEA !!! ... Usa...the un...nazi germany...the 52 arabNATIONS ..can all gang up together and murder all the jews and wIPe them of the face of the earth when the soviets and russians were all over the arab states the only one in this region was israel and usa got a lot of help from israel !!! But now that the arab nations r in usa pocket all of u above can send us to hell..!!! ANYWAY after we go the 52 arab nations with the chiniese and russian iran korea pakisthan and the millions of Islamic terrorists can all gang up and u will have your total destruction.. Then u then can cry out to god .. even if u don't believe in god u will suddenly start when the huge mushroom will tower over your head... and then u will call god and explain to him why ( u caused his people to die ..and we r his people weather u like it or not ..and i care s!@# what u think about us )u posted your stupid post !!!
Why is Israel safer with an occupied territory of unhappy Palestinians next door supported by millions of other unhappy Muslims than it would be with a Palestinian state next door?
Because the alternative is a sovereign state of unhappy Palestinians next door, controlled by extremists, not monitored by the Israeli or international security forces and used to plot non-stop chain of terrorist attacks against Israeli/Jewish targets and to assemble military equipment and military forces for future wars to wipe Israel off the map...Did I mention that as always they won't give a flying f*ck about any piece of paper they sign with infidels, especially those mentioning peace? I am not against a peace agreement but let's get realistic here, the arab/muslim goal is to wipe Israel off the map and they will see the establishment of Palestine as a step in that direction.
1) We did not occupy this territory we had war with jordan and we won ! 2) There is no such thing arab palestinians .. only jewish palestinians.. the country was empty and those arabs from maybe 25-30 countrys mostly from europe came here cause they ran away from the law ! 3) This country was ours for thousands of years .. and no body has a right to move us away and take it .. just as the nazi germany tried to do to europe and failed ! 4) those areab palestinians were driven or encouraged or fled from arab rule from late 1800 until 1948 ! 5) 52 arab nations with millions of acres of land and oil .. what r they unhappy about..huh ! ILl let u soak what i posted for now .. don't worry i have thousand more reasons for u yet to come !!!
Those Arabs must have run away from the law a long time ago, because some of the Muslim mosques in Palestine look pretty old. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mosques_in_the_State_of_Palestine
Its not a question of approval, they already got the UN vote on that, they have certain conditions in order to agree to have a state siding with Israel, its the "siding" part that's the problem for them, they could have declared indipendance in 1948 if they wanted, they simply didnt want to have just part of the land, today some of them do (about half) and that's why we are pushing for an agreemnet, but that agreement will be respected by just half of them - so we are taking that into account when borders and security are discussed. the fued will continue anyway only it will be between two countries that one will harbor terror (Hamas).
I am for transfer of these people to join the 78% already in Jordan and solve the 65 year old problem. When everyone is looking so far away and the solution is so near. Maybe Israel will compensate these people, something that the Arab countries did not do throwing out one Million Jews from their place of birth, some of them dating their origin before the Arab conquest of the seventh century CE
Unless or until Israel becomes the 51st state, Jonathan Pollard is a traitor. He's damn lucky he didn't hang.
True. Both sides come to the table (to show the world what good faith they have) but nobody wants peace. I say cut that baby in half (as King Solomon might have done), then nuke both halves.
Point number 2 made by the O.P. helps to illustrate what generally has been the problem with the GOP since Nixon. They take care of problems for their sponsors sequentially, in priority. First comes the corporate lobby, then the Jewish-Palestine problems, then the Christian fundamentalists, and finally petty things like border security. By the time they get to number 4, they are so mired in scandals especially because of number 1, that they decide they cannot afford anymore heat and controversy and kill the topic. And now with Abbas and Netanyahu dreaming of racially, ethnically and religiously purified states, the GOP won't even get through the number 2 for the foreseeable future. It won't even make inrows given when ever the sides involved begin discussing a demand, they immediately formulate another demand issue out of a blue. And the process gets more complicated, the list grows, and everyone digs in heels.
Right u proved my point ..almost every mosque was built either hundreds of years ago from sallah adin time or after the arabs invaded israel late 1800 !!! i can show u many many our jewish (mosques) 1 of them is thousands of years ago !!! AND MORE ARABS HAVE A HABIT OF BUILDING THIER MOSQUE ON OUR SYNAGOGS !!!
The concern raised by the Palestinian side may be that future Palestinian governments may not be able to guarantee the safety of Jewish settlers living in Palestine. In that case Israel may want to reserve a right to intervene in Palestine on their behalf. Then Israel would need to define precisely to what extent it could intervene regardless of the circumstances. Further, Israel installed numerous illegal settlements around the West Bank since 2002. Netanyahu may argue for their removal if other Israeli demands are met, including East Jerusalem as integral part of Israel without any territorial concessions on Israel's behalf in exchange. The Palestinian representation may argue the settlements were illegal to begin with and should not be used as a bargaining chip in any negotiations that may follow. And if Netanyahu does indeed intend to use them to such ends, then the Palestinians can raise new demands of their own such as removal of all Jewish settlers even those from before 2002, unless Israel perhaps accepts Palestinian refugees from the 1948 war, and their descendants, a concession which Israel of course won't consider at least as long as Netanyahu is on the throne. So it seems both sides are drifting further apart, one wonders how much more hardline they will get as talks continue, and it may only take eruption of any sporradic violence as an excuse by one or both sides to break off all negotiations.
If the US just got out the way and allowed full Palestinian statehood Netanyahu's Likudniks would have a much harder time bulldozing Palestinian residences and olive orchards and building Jews-only settlements.
It was "Western leftists" under Tony Blair's government who finally persuaded the IRA to come to the negotiating table and talk. Peace in Northern Ireland ensued following the Good Friday Agreement. Previously under the hard-right government of Margaret "we don't talk to terrorists" Thatcher the bombings continued unabated. http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/static/northern_ireland/understanding/events/good_friday.stm
Fine. Withdraw from the UN and refuse any more money, weapons or support from America or anyone else.
So no Palestinian homes are destroyed by Israelis, no settlers move into Palestinian properties whose occupants have been arbitrarily thrown out, and no olive groves are dug-up? Is that what you're saying?
Yes !!!!! This is what I am saying!!! To build in Israel you need a <building permit> like anywhere else in this world even in POLAND your criminal ancestral home. The land in question is <MIRI> means belonging to the Government of Israel and they are entitled to do whatever they want with it. These people who planted on it, are not owners and failed to show a <certificate of ownership>, I hope you learned something today!!!
Israel is giving retro-active building permits to settlers who built on confiscated Arab private property, without any govt. permission. Meanwhile, Israel demolishes Arab homes built on Arab land.
Bully for pragmatic Blair. Says nothing about Palestinians. Thatcher may have refused talks, but neither the US nor Israel can be accused of that. They've been negotiating with Palestinians since 1991. 23 years of talks without ANY meaningful concession by Palestinians, while they've repeatedly been offered their own state.
