Israel has accused ambassadors of Britain, France, Italy and Spain,in pro-Palestinia

Discussion in 'Middle East' started by litwin, Jan 18, 2014.

  1. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 19, 2013
    Messages:
    93,464
    Likes Received:
    14,677
    Trophy Points:
    113
    why do you believe Israel is perfect?
     
  2. snakestretcher

    snakestretcher Banned

    Joined:
    Jun 3, 2010
    Messages:
    43,996
    Likes Received:
    1,706
    Trophy Points:
    113
    The Bible, archaeology and history, unfortunately for you, are not remotely relevant where law and legality are concerned. Continue your bleating, by all means. Nobody cares and nobody is listening.
     
  3. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 19, 2013
    Messages:
    93,464
    Likes Received:
    14,677
    Trophy Points:
    113
    If Israel wants more friends they need to act like a real Western democracy.

    Its pretty simple.
     
  4. snakestretcher

    snakestretcher Banned

    Joined:
    Jun 3, 2010
    Messages:
    43,996
    Likes Received:
    1,706
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Rubbish. Hatred for expansionist Zionism which uses irrelevant Biblical nonsense as an excuse for ethnic cleansing and theft is emphatically not anti-Semitism, but what a convenient and well-worn excuse it is.
    Sadly for you an appeal to the emotions doesn't work any longer as Israel's criminal activities are exposed to the world for all to see.
    Any state acting as Israel does deserves vilification, irrespective of which faith its citizens happen to follow. Yours just happens to be populated by Jews.
     
  5. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 19, 2013
    Messages:
    93,464
    Likes Received:
    14,677
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Its very odd how Neo-Zionists expect Europeans to love Israel, even though it steals land, gives the stolen land to illegal settlers, violates the rights of non-Jewish citizens, doesn't let back any refugees, and yet claims to be a western-democracy and every day demands that the world remember the suffering the Jews have gone through over the years.

    i mean...seriously??????????????? are these Israelis that dishonest...or that stupid?
     
  6. trout mask replica

    trout mask replica New Member

    Joined:
    Apr 11, 2012
    Messages:
    12,320
    Likes Received:
    67
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Even odder is the fact that many of the mainly US-based contributors to this forum actually LOVE Israel.
     
  7. snakestretcher

    snakestretcher Banned

    Joined:
    Jun 3, 2010
    Messages:
    43,996
    Likes Received:
    1,706
    Trophy Points:
    113
    There's no reasoning with nationalist zealots and the Holocaust emotion card long ago ran out of credit.
    Even America, Israel's greatest benefactor, has expressed both frustration with Israel's activities, and has publicly acknowledged the illegality of the settlements.
    Why Israelis are deaf to this is beyond me. This intransigence and arrogance in the face of global opinion and international law will not end well for Israel. If they are not careful they will become the authors of their own demise, and then we'll have to endure even more relentless whining about how they have suffered...
     
  8. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 19, 2013
    Messages:
    93,464
    Likes Received:
    14,677
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I don't love Israel, but I like it.

    I dream of it becoming a true democracy, like the Declaration of Independence claims it would be.
     
  9. trout mask replica

    trout mask replica New Member

    Joined:
    Apr 11, 2012
    Messages:
    12,320
    Likes Received:
    67
    Trophy Points:
    0
    You are a shining light. What I meant was that they love it as it currently exists.
     
  10. litwin

    litwin Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 9, 2009
    Messages:
    25,165
    Likes Received:
    759
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    i dont think so, USA is losing its top dog position . it concentrates all what it has in the south chinas sea
     
  11. litwin

    litwin Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 9, 2009
    Messages:
    25,165
    Likes Received:
    759
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    like many others , do you think Stalin treated Jews extraordinary ?
     
  12. Kwigybo

    Kwigybo New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 7, 2013
    Messages:
    307
    Likes Received:
    3
    Trophy Points:
    0
    If you don't want to sound repetitive then stop repeating what you've already said and answer the relatively elementary question I asked of you.
     
  13. Kwigybo

    Kwigybo New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 7, 2013
    Messages:
    307
    Likes Received:
    3
    Trophy Points:
    0
    It can be. Opposition to it though is not necessarily. For example, the only anti-Zionists used to be Jews, as you ought to know. I personally think a Jewish state, now that it exists, should be afforded the same rights as any other state. Those rights do not include expropriating land and denying the right of self-determination to the previous inhabitants.
     
  14. pessimist

    pessimist New Member

    Joined:
    Dec 18, 2013
    Messages:
    281
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Yes, if we are speaking about post war period when Stalin started official antisemitic campaign. Solomon Mikhoels, the artistic director of the Moscow State Jewish Theater, was murdered on the orders of Stalin. Soon after that the theater was shut down and persecutions of jewish intellectual and cultured leaders began. Many of them were executed. Plans for mass deportation of jews from Moscow were developed and only the death of Stalin prevented their implementation.
     
  15. litwin

    litwin Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 9, 2009
    Messages:
    25,165
    Likes Received:
    759
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    BS, Stalins post war terror was as brutal as in 37, and Jews were not the ultimate victims of it. when we talk about Intellectuals Belorusians have lost almost 100% of national intellectuals ,mass deportation of Ukrainians is well know fact as well. etc
     
  16. Gilos

    Gilos Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2011
    Messages:
    14,163
    Likes Received:
    730
    Trophy Points:
    113
    In case you missed it, that quarter chosed Israel over Palestine so Israel must be doing something good even to that quarter, the ratio of Jews-Arabs inside Israel is not a problem.
     
  17. pessimist

    pessimist New Member

    Joined:
    Dec 18, 2013
    Messages:
    281
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    As for Ukraine - it was post war population exchange with Poland. Belorusians got a status of republic and even membership in the United Nations. Could you provide appropriate references?
     
  18. Gilos

    Gilos Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2011
    Messages:
    14,163
    Likes Received:
    730
    Trophy Points:
    113
    You got plenty in Israel that do that, however to call Zionism - Nazism is giving away to Muslim propaganda, Zionists built this country, irrigated the land and fought off raiders so the Jewish ppl will have a home, there is no relation between them and the fanatic settelrs, in fact the last group even opposes state laws from time to time. our enemies deliberatly try to delegalize Zionism in efforts to somehow "cancel" the state it created in 1948. or at least boycott it (and they did it since 1936 so spare me the 68 occupation excuse).
     
  19. HBendor

    HBendor New Member

    Joined:
    Oct 24, 2009
    Messages:
    12,043
    Likes Received:
    60
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Who died and a pole was elected representative/mouthpiece for some <nobody> ? BTW I own a cow from Minsk.
     
  20. MGB ROADSTER

    MGB ROADSTER Banned

    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2012
    Messages:
    7,866
    Likes Received:
    1,301
    Trophy Points:
    113
    In life eveything should be compared to something else.
    What would you say about the "wonderful" situation of democracy in 52 Muslim and Arab countries ? :wall:
    Why do you stick like glue all over the Israelis ?
     
  21. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 19, 2013
    Messages:
    93,464
    Likes Received:
    14,677
    Trophy Points:
    113
    why you care SOO much about what I think?
     
  22. JooDee

    JooDee New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2014
    Messages:
    78
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Hi my name is Joo Dee.

    Israel is such a bossy nation. I would like my country to stop supporting Israel and stop getting involved foreign affairs that is not aligned with my interests. Let the Palestinians and Israelis resolve their love dispute.
     
  23. trout mask replica

    trout mask replica New Member

    Joined:
    Apr 11, 2012
    Messages:
    12,320
    Likes Received:
    67
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Choice: Live in Israel and be treated like scum and second class citizens or go live in Palestine to live under a brutal occupation....Wonderful!
     
  24. Gilos

    Gilos Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2011
    Messages:
    14,163
    Likes Received:
    730
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Wrong in both, teh state does NOT treat Arabs like scum, they serve as high as judges and fact is they dont want to leave it,

    "Moving" is only to a Palestinian state , that's the whole point, no more occupation, no more b!tching about Israel......free as birds so they can take a flying(*)(*)(*)(*) away from us.

    - - - Updated - - -

    And how does your country "support" Israel ? asking from the "supported" side.
     
  25. trout mask replica

    trout mask replica New Member

    Joined:
    Apr 11, 2012
    Messages:
    12,320
    Likes Received:
    67
    Trophy Points:
    0

    Please show us where the border that separates Israel from Palestine is, thus identifying a clearly demarcated land mass for the Palestinians to go to without the indignity of having to be encroached upon. That's right there isn't one. The reason there isn't one is because Israel continues to illegally grab more and more land.

    You see it's very difficult for people to settle somewhere if, due to illegal transgressions, other people increasingly deny them the space in which to do so. Faced with that conundrum, the Palestinians in "Israel" are faced with a choice between the devil and the deep blue sea - continue to live as relative second class citizens in a "state" that has no internationally defined borders, or go live in another space where the potential threat of illegal eviction and ethnic cleansing is ever present. Not much of a choice.

    How about you do the right thing by retreating to the pre-67 line where you belong as internatonal law insists and by so doing establishing a clear line of demarcation thus allowing a defined space for the Palestinian's to go to free from the threat of Israeli aggression. How about that?
     

Share This Page