4-year-old girl shoots and kills 4-year-old cousin, police say

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  1. Pardy

    Pardy Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Pools are not weapons that are so dangerous that they are constitutionally protected.
     
  2. Nightmare515

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    Yeah well they are still more dangerous to child safety and there is absolutely no reason whatsoever why somebody NEEDS a pool in their backyard.
     
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    That is not an exaggeration, because merely brandishing a firearm is enough to cause attackers to flee. In fact, that is usually the best way to utilize a firearm for self-defense, since the gun owner will avoid potential legal issues. What, you only want to count the times when the criminal was shot? Figures.
     
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    Dead is dead.
     
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    so you are wrong but if you tweak the numbers you are right..........

    So the if you don't count the final touchdown San Fran is in the Superbowl....got it.
     
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    We're talking about accidents here are we not? Unintentional deaths?

    Not every death associated with firearms is unintentional. So there is no tweaking of the numbers.

    Again, facts.

    More people are accidentally killed by drowning in pools than are accidentally killed by being shot with a firearm. There is absolutely zero debate to that statement, period.
     
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    It doesn't change the progression or the capitulation. Nor does it change the fact Sharia law is being practiced in England neighborhoods with the blessings of the English government. That's capitulation at the highest level.
     
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    You can't just make (*)(*)(*)(*) up to suit your point.

    There is no sharia law being practiced in london. Those were isolated incidents where the same muslims were criminally harassing people.

    Definitely not government sanctioned..
     
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    No you are being mislead.

    In the UK there are two methods of resolving civil disputes. Civil disputes can be resolved through the courts or through ADR (Alternative Dispute Resolution). ADR methods are adopted first to resolve civil disputes in order to reduce caseload burden upon the courts. Muslims who want to resolve civil disputes can use religious texts in order to do so provided it is in accordance with British and EU law. Even Jewish people in the UK are permitted to use their own sacred texts to resolve civil disputes.

    So when Muslims resolve private disputes using principles from their own religious text it is nothing unusual. It falls under ADR. Private disputes usually involve marriage proceedings, divorce proceedings, contractual disputes, financial issues, will and inheritance.

    There have been rumours sharia law is taking over the UK. That is absolute rubbish. Muslims have been resolving private disputes using the Sharia since they have been coming to the UK.

    Keep in mind to make a distinction between criminal and civil issues. The British government does not allow Muslims to use the Sharia to judge criminals haha.

    The only main issue that has been raised is using the Sharia to handle marriage/divorce/adoption proceedings. Even then the rulings are never binding.

    Peace,
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    THE NRA DID IT !!!!! Aaaaaaaaaaahhhh!!!!!!! :machinegun:

    Detroit = OBAMA VOTERS.

    Once again, if we DISARM ALL OBAMA VOTERS IN URBAN AREAS, we will DECIMATE the VIOLENT CRIME/MURDER RATE....
     
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    Q. Did attackers fled after you reached for your gun?
    A. Yes.

    ^ Please show a causal relationship, where brandishing (or just reaching for) a firearm caused an attacker to flee.
     
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    Brits seem to be especially accepting of how muslims in the UK have established "muslim only" zones, and have "resolved the issue" of having prostitutes to rent, by grooming Little White English School Girls for the "job".

    That's the OTHER form of "civil dispute resolution", called BMHNBA, or British Men Have No Balls Anymore, which is actual CATALYST of muslim disregard for British law,and Brtish men in general...unless, of course, they are young school boys, who are ALSO "GROOMED" for the muslim Public Service Jobs....
     
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    Please post a link to one doing jail time.
     
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    http://articles.latimes.com/2013/may/14/nation/la-na-nn-brandon-holt-shot-dead-20130514
    http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/21/justice/north-carolina-toddler-shot/
    http://www.ibtimes.com/melissa-ring...-year-old-boy-accidentally-shoots-himself-gun
    http://www.wwl.com/Scoot-Blog--Pare...s-self---It-s-about-time-/13069478?pid=334873

    That was a simple Google search.

    Rarely do you ever read a news story about the actual sentencing for anything but famous trials that stay on the news for months. You only hear of the arrests and charges so to find out if these people actually got locked up you will have to research the cases yourself.
     
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    First not all British people are accepting of Muslims or ethnic minorities.

    Second there are no Muslim only zones. Some Muslims were being stupid.

    Third I agree there is an issue of young white girls being groomed. That is totally unacceptable. This has nothing to do with the individual ethnicity/religion. These girls were an easier target than Asian girls. Culturally speaking Asian girls (South Asian origin) are not allowed to mix with men whilst in white culture this is pretty much the norm.

    Oh the last point is rubbish. You should see the riots and protests there have been. Hooligans on both sides.

    You're simply such blowing issues out of proportion. Muslims are not taking over the UK. You must be completely paranoid to believe that lol. You're entire post has nothing to do with what I have posted. You know nothing about the English legal system. So unless you specifically have something to comment about court proceedings and ADR then stop right here because you'll only embarrass yourself.
     
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    Actually I proved that wrong in 10 seconds unless you change the rules.


    except gun deaths in kids are 100% the result of the functionality of the gun. Drownings (not all drownings are in pools) are most often simply the result of accidents.

    So you support laws that require keeping pools more safe, so I assume you think that should be the case with guns. Thank you.

    While I love the idiocy of the argument I am not sure how you think this makes sense.
     
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    We are discussing accidental deaths from firearms. Accidental deaths from firearms are less frequent than accidental drownings. Fact. There are no rule changes.

    Yes, when firearms are misused they can and do kill people accidentally. The key word here, accidents. Accidents occur when someone isn't properly trained how to use a firearm and/or doesn't understand what it is and that it can kill you as in the case of children. Accidents in pools occur when someone isn't properly trained to use a pool, IE they can't swim, or when then don't quite understand what a pool is and that it can kill you as in the case of children. Agree?

    Guns don't sprout legs and walk around shooting people on their own. Accidents are the result of misuse or failing to properly a secure the firearm. Just like pools don't grow hands and grab unsuspecting children as they walk by. Accidents are the result of misuse or failing to properly secure the pool area.

    Yes I support laws that require keeping pools more safe. I believe it should be madatory for all households with children to have a gate and a lock surrounding their pool to prevent accidents. Just like I support laws requiring all gun owners with children to have their guns locked away or placed in a position to where children cannot gain access to them. If the parents or guardians fail to provide these safety measures then that is THEIR fault. It's the parents fault if they leave a gun out where a kid can get it, it's the parents fault if they leave the gate open and their child jumps in the pool.

    Again, what laws can be implemented to ensure that parents are responsible? Without giving authorities random access to your home nobody can have any idea if you left the pool gate open or if you left the handgun on the table. Do you support giving authorities random access to the homes of citizens?
     
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    You really need to read more.

    LONDON -- Stoning for adultery. Amputations for theft. Death for apostates. And second-class status for Christians and Jews. This is life under Sharia law, the Islamic system practiced in countries like Iran, Saudi Arabia, and Great Britain.

    Yes, Great Britain.

    There are reportedly some 85 Sharia courts now operating there, with Islamic judges ruling on cases ranging from financial to marital disputes among British Muslims.

    "We went into some proceedings and there were a couple of Islamic judges sitting up above the rest," said Alan Craig, who recently stepped down as leader of the Christian Peoples Alliance party. "And there was one Muslim woman who was suing for divorce."


    http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/world/2012/November/Islamic-Sharia-Law-Comes-to-Great-Britain/

    Now what.
     
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    Completely false and so easily disproven.

    LONDON -- Stoning for adultery. Amputations for theft. Death for apostates. And second-class status for Christians and Jews. This is life under Sharia law, the Islamic system practiced in countries like Iran, Saudi Arabia, and Great Britain.

    Yes, Great Britain.

    There are reportedly some 85 Sharia courts now operating there, with Islamic judges ruling on cases ranging from financial to marital disputes among British Muslims.

    "We went into some proceedings and there were a couple of Islamic judges sitting up above the rest," said Alan Craig, who recently stepped down as leader of the Christian Peoples Alliance party. "And there was one Muslim woman who was suing for divorce."

    Craig is a former city councilor in East London, home to several Sharia courts where women face open discrimination.

    "A woman's witness value is half that of a man," Craig told CBN News. "So [the courts] will tend, therefore, to take the man's position in a divorce."

    Craig is working with Baroness Caroline Cox to pass a bill in Britain's House of Lords protecting women from this Sharia oppression.

    Muslim women in Great Britain often face intimidation within their communities to settle things the Sharia way. According to Craig, some wrongly believe Islamic courts are their only option.

    "What we're trying to do is say, Muslim women, especially in this country, need to be informed," he explained. "They actually have other rights and our view, better rights, under English law."

    Sharia courts operate outside of British common law. Their defenders say the courts are legal under a 1996 Arbitration Act that allows people to settle differences through methods of their own choosing.


    http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/world/2012/November/Islamic-Sharia-Law-Comes-to-Great-Britain/


    Their divorce courts fly in the face of British law yet are allowed to exist. You really should be paying attention to what is happening in your own dying country.
     
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    Plenty of things on the surface fit that criteria...And it'd be just as wrong to say that about them
     
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    I'm sorry but you've lost the plot. There are no Sharia courts issuing punishments such as stoning, amputations and so on. No such system is in place. Have you seen any British citizens getting stoned ?

    Yes those punishments are part of the Sharia but they are not implemented in the UK. Sharia covers everything on how Muslims pray to how the State deals with its citizens. Saudi Arabia for instance does not implement economic policies in accordance with the Sharia.

    They are not courts. They are ADR. The term "Sharia courts" is absolutely misleading. It is like saying Judge Judy is a real court. It's not, its an arbitration.

    What court was this then?

    Name these "courts".

    http://submission.org/Misconceptions_about_Women.html

    http://www.islamophobiatoday.com/2011/06/09/baroness-cox-introduces-anti-sharia-bill/

    I cannot take her seriously. She obviously has another agenda.

    Evidence?

    Sharia law that is implemented in the UK is already in accordance with current legislation. How the actual proceedings are handled are very informal like most ADR. The courts encourage citizens to resolve dispute without going to the County Court. Sharia is one of the methods available.

    Yes!

    I've studied law. You're getting information from the wrong sources. Jewish people resolve their own civil disputes using their own sacred texts.

    If Islamic law was being used to handle criminal cases I would take an issue with that. However, it is not. It is just being used to deal with marriage and financial issues. Like all systems there are problems. But to claim the entire country is going to collapse is absolutely laughable.

    Since you take such a strong interest in Islam and English law you should read this:

    Islam and English Law: Rights, Responsibilities and the Place of Shari'a
    Robin Griffith-Jones (Editor)

    Sorry to disappoint you but there is nothing dramatic going on in the UK. Muslims are not taking over.
     
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    4-year-old girl shoots and kills 4-year-old cousin, police say

    Just think...if that cousin had been armed, this might not have happened.
     
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    As tragic as that was, it would be even more tragic to use it as an excuse to ban firearms.
     

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