Creationism: threat, or menace?

It tries to worm its way into the schools, teaching anti science, and anti-constitutionalism.

Its a regressive anti intellectual cult, a cultural weakness for the USA in a competitive world where the USA already ranks 21st in science education.

It renders its victims incapable of speaking the truth
when they attack science or those who are not cult members.

Watch if anyone tries to deny these things: they will speak falsehoods.

 

I say my good man, i speak no falsehoods! i believe in gods, and, they are real. if you were to think of how conscious you are compared to a inanimate object, then compare yourself to god. the only difference that we have to inanimate objects with regards consciousness is that we feel fear and ask questions. how do we arrive at the questions we ask? through fear of losing something.

If you were to imagine that the inaninimate object also thinks, and is part of the conscious of the universe, then you will see where gods fit in. they offer the universe conscious, so we and other living things may be thinking, and, there is no question that the universe also thinks.

i would like to introduce you to magic! magic is real and will amaze you at first. numerology is real. digital witchcraft is real. ask a magician to show you. feel the earthing as you sit outside, simply sit cross legged on some grass and think deep thoughts. yoga is magic. earthing is magic.

Now, all that magic comes from the universal understanding between things, that they 'mix' as you would say in chemistry. i it doesn't mix, and it does, then it wouldn't exist would it? are there square circles? no, because that doesn't mix! all the universe is our oyster, and, our gods are all around and inside us.

 

The teaching of creation isn't a big deal in Australian schools, either public or private. It's not part of the Australian schools curriculum.

Australia is now a lot less 'Christian' than when I was attending school. Creation was never taught outside religious studies at schools (yes we had religious studies in state schools when I was attending - another story).

To answer your question, creationism is neither a menace nor a threat to Australians. This fear must be an American thing.

 

Agree! Although I think their is growing thinking even in churches that science and creation are tied together so probably isn't too much of an issue I suppose. I have a few friends heavily involved in churches here in oz and they themselves don't vehemently protect the notion of intelligent design outside of science. They seem quite embracing of it actually. Not sure how the broader church and their leaders see it!

 

I should move to Oz.

 

I like how we've been given a choice between threat and menance. I will need to think long and hard on this before I can get back to you but I think that I may be leaning towards hnjpm ujhy dfcse sorry, cat got onto my keyboard.

 

I've never seen a Creationism school curriculum. Maybe you can show us to demonstrate how threatening it is.

 

Whose version of creation are you opposed to? Are your prepared to start a crusade in the Muslim world against creationism? Why not start a thread mocking and ridiculing Muslims, complete with your address and time you'll be home?

 

Actually, "threat or menace" comes from a satirical publication inwhich the question was
"Communism: threat or menace". I thought it was funny.

Our fundamentalist friends have the remarkable habit of reducing everything to a binary choice, everything has to be an either / or. Hardly anything really is a straight either / or, and the choice is usually a phony one.

My "either / or" of course, is also phony, threat and menace being the same thing.

Creationism does of course, have nothing positive to offer. I kind of wish it did, science can always use a legitimate challenge.

 

Nothing to offer except hope?

 

No matter how many times I say it, you seem entirely immune to a very simple concept.

Creationism is not the same as Christianity.
I have nothing negative to say about Christianity, or about Islam.

Jim Jones represents a stupid perversion of Christianity, as does Bin Laden for Islam.

"Creationism" as in ID, 6DC and flood, paluxy man tracks and all of that is a stupid perversion of the message of Jesus.

You call it mocking and ridiculing when I say that these things are ridiculous, when it is the creationists who mock their own so called faith when they trot out idiocies to support their dimwit
"faith", that "faith" itself being a mockery of Christianity. Did you know the god fundies
say they worship does not favour the spreading of falsehoods? Lying for jesus is not
respectful worship, its far more a mockery than anything I've ever said.

If someone wishes to say "god created the universe" fine; nobody can show its not so, and maybe it is. If someone wants it taught in school that the universe is 6000 years old, that is a threat
to the security of the USA because it it regressive anti intellectualism.

You complain of me being condescending. And yet you come back to the same tired things, no matter how many times they are explained. So I explain the same simple ideas again.
Then you say I am being condescending.

You are about twice my age, but you sure need to grow the hell up.

 

How does the story of creation offer hope?

And.....what is it you are hoping for in the first place?

 

You think that "creationism" is the same as "Christianity"?


Christianity does offer hope. Perhaps a false hope, nobody actually knows.

Creationism offers nonsense.

 

Eternal life in God's kingdom. That answers both questions.

 

Christianity wouldn't be possible without creation. The Bible says Jesus was there in the beginning.

Maybe you're speaking strictly about creationism as people want it taught in schools. Again, I've never seen the curriculum, so I have no reference point. I only have the Bible to work with here.

 

Good luck with that......but, if your hope is based on the Biblical creation story being accurate there is not enough luck in the universe.

 

Muslims teach a very similar creation as Christians. Both of a monotheistic god. In both accounts, God uses Earth to create man. Is evolution taught in Saudi Arabia or Iran? Are you concerned? Are you willing to assail them the way you go after "fundies" of the Christian faith?

Go ahead, you brave pioneer of science education - call the Muslims beliefs "idiocies to support their dimwit faith." Tell those "Allah fundies" what Allah really says.

How are they mocking Mohammad?

Is their belief threatening to the security of the Muslim world, because it's "regressive anti intellectualism?" Let them know!

Just once I dare you to talk to them the way you talk to and about Christians who don't share your views.

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What do you mean by accurate?

 

I'm reminded of Ravi Zacharias's response to Richard Dawkins, who said atheists should ridicule and mock theists. Ravi says, "I agree. Now go start in Saudi Arabia."

 

"Creationism" creates anti-science prejudice which spills over into virtually all aspects of society. While I don't have exact statistics we find that those that don't believe in scientifically established AGW are typically "creationists" that have an anti-science prejudice. Those that don't believe that the huge amount of atmospheric pollution from coal fired electrical powerplants that is causing acid rain on the US East Coast destroying nature tend to be "creationists" where they ignore the science because of anti-science prejudice.

The ultimate problem is the anti-science prejudice that comes from teaching religious myths that are disputed by scientific facts and theories. There lies the problem and it can and does adversely affect the people.

 

I mean a verifiable and factual representation of the ways in which our planet formed, as well as how humankind and all other animal life came to exist. The biblical creation story is completely debunked by biological and ecological discoveries and understanding...by extrapolation whatever entity it claims did this "Creation" is automatically called into question.

 

Yes and as I keep trying to tell people, there are many many millions of bright hard working ambitious people just across the water, over there where the sun sets?

The USA is presently #21 in science education. Visit a college campus, notice how the grad positions are filled with Chinese and Indian students.

Sitting fat and complacent, the USA is a sitting duck, and its not going to be pretty how this plays out of people dont smarten up damn quick. "God" is not going to help out, no matter how
much the pray in the trailer park. There wont be an angel with a flaming sword guarding them.

 

Do you hold out the possibility that Genesis is not intended to be "a verifiable and factual representation of the ways in which our planet formed, as well as how humankind and all other animal life came to exist?" It's pretty lacking in detail to be considered the engineer's drawings, isn't it?