Norwegian lawmakers nominate Edward Snowden for Nobel Peace Prize

So you started this thread just so you could take a shot a President Obama?

You are part of the problem.

 

But you DID write:

Seems fair to conclude from your two statements that you were suggesting "the things that the U.S. government has tried" were directly related to "you ARE going to be going to prison for decades."

HuffPo works as an aggregator, but not as a source. The original, Antiwar.com source of that article is so opposed to government that it will even turn a policy created to stop public disclosure of classified information into a program about punishing whistleblowers. The author's opinion is subjective and alarmist, and he crudely assumes that people are too ignorant to understand the difference between an insider threat and a whistleblower.

Again, you're improperly sourcing your articles. But either way, whistleblowing and publicly divulging classified information are two different things. Whistleblowing is about government corruption. You can publicly say, "hey, the government has no prohibition against water boarding" without disclosing classified details of covert operations.

By the way, do you know what Kiriakou's sentence was? Thirty months in a low-security federal prison. What happened to "going to prison for decades?"

 

Snowden became an irrefutable traitor when he decided that, in order to maintain the level of comfort he desires, he would sell US foreign intelligence data to other countries.

He's no different from Robert Hanssen at this point.

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For selling classified foreign intelligence data to other countries.

 

Every President since James Madison has been a champion liar. People like Snowden are members of the same hypocrisy. They agree to one thing, then do the opposite regardless of the consequences of whom it affects. To think in any other direction your only fooling yourself.

 

He deliberately revealed collection methodology, techniques, and technical information that is used across the broad spectrum of SIGINT for foreign intelligence collection.

By giving potential enemies information on our SIGINT ways and means, he gave them the information they would need to counteract our SIGINT capabilities. At best, he has cost the taxpayers billions of dollars (by invalidating current SIGINT collection systems) at worst, people will die as our military and other security forces are unable to receive accurate intelligence support.

 

So you're fine with your emails and phone calls being spied on, provided you aren't told it's being done. And when someone tells you Big Brother is looking over your shoulder, you blame the messenger.

Can you understand that some people appreciate being told what government is doing to us behind our backs?

 

Snowden rolled back the encroaching police state(s) or at least tried to the best of his abilities and means, and for that he deserves top recognitions. A state which considers its own citizens the enemy and is operated by perverts and paparazzi, is divisive and cannot stand. Snowden took this moral teaching straight out of Lincoln.

 

My emails and phone calls aren't "spied on". They may be collected but that is only a function of the technology involved.

And anything of worth Snowden gained by pointing out domestic spying was lost the instant he started selling foreign intelligence collection data to other countries.

He's a spy and deserves death.

 

The people who spy on Americans are traitors, along with the people who support their actions.

 

You do have options however. You can go to the IG. If it were me, and that didn't work, I would contact one of the Congressmen on the Intelligence committee.

 

...and you fund it with your tax dollars

Everyone's a nationalist whether they admit it or not - except for those who renounce their citizenship and move out of the country.

The rest are just posers verbally denounce their country in a false display of empathy or attention seeking, but who're content reaping the rewards of living in their country

In other words, they're not real Americans.

 

Although I disagree that the Metadata program violated the 4th Amendment, put that one issue aside for a moment. He released information on dozens of foreign intelligence programs. Those have nothing to do with US constitutional rights, they have to do with foreign intelligence collection; a basic job of the intelligence community.

That's how I know Snowden is full of BS. If he had only released information on the Metadata program, he could make the case that he was only concerned about spying on Americans or violations of the Constitution. Instead he told everything he knew about US Intelligence. That's clearly an attempt to harm American security. That's why he is in Russia now instead of taking his chances with a courtroom.

 

What about people who sell classified US foreign intelligence collection information to foreign powers?

 

Offer up some actual proof that snowden actually sold info to foreign intelligence services. So far the FBI doesn't even know or can't prove that Snowden even received help from foreign intel agents. So what do you know that everyone else doesn't know, or are you just assuming?

http://m.washingtonpost.com/world/n...5cca18-830a-11e3-9dd4-e7278db80d86_story.html

Oh ya, this would never happened if the NSA wasn't spying on the American people, just saying.

 

If Obama's NSA wasn't spying on Americans, Snowden would not even be important.

Snowden won't win it though as American liberals don't want Obama to look worse than he does now.

 

Please tell me one thing Snowden released that was a surprise to ANYONE. The only reason any nation is complaining about our spying is because they don't have the capability. This doesn't mean that other nations such as Russia, Japan, Korea, China and possibly Germany don't already have this ability. Get used to it folks, Pandora's box is open and we ain't closing it. Snowden is a traitor hiding in a competing nation after traveling through China, another competing nation. Coincidence? I think not.

 

He sold information to other countries?

Citation needed.

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I am forced by the states violence to fund terrorism.

 

The pathetic Norwegians are just trying to distract from the upcoming , repeated , total asskickin's their Olympic men's ice hockey team is getting ready to be subjected to.

They are probably the weakest team, in a pool that includes the powerhouse Canadians.

 

The people in Atlanta were using anonymous tip line to report corrupt cops to other cops, and the cops operating the anonymous line ratted them out to the corrupt cops and people got killed. Is Washington that much different from Atlanta? How naive you expect someone to be?

 

And it was either Atlanta or New Orleans.

 

Obviously the anonymous tip line wasn't very anonymous, but that isn't even the issue.

For an employee of the US intelligence services, either civilian or military, there are legal options to report violation of policy or law. Snowden wasn't serious about being a truthtelling whistleblower, because he never even attempted those options. And more to the point, the fact that the vast majority of the information he released had nothing to do with American citizens. It was information on means and methods of foreign intelligence collection.

I've pointed that out a couple of times on this forum and never got a response, but I'm wondering what other option one can draw if the majority of the information released served no other purpose than to harm US foreign intelligence collection?

 

There is stuff he released initially which only dealt with domestic spying, and there is other stuff he released only after Manning was sentenced. Boo-hoo, don't blame Snowden, blame those in Washington instead. They are the ones who wanted to play hardball and said Snowden had nothing, and they are so smart they will get Snowden one way or another, and if they can't they will let Manning carry Snowden's sentence as well.

 

The people in Washington thought that setting an example out of Manning is more important than keeping their secrets about their foreign spying operations. They are the ones who like to gamble and made their choice.

 

Not surprisingly, you're wrong on your timeline. Manning was sentenced in late August, and Snowden had released everything to his media contacts when he fled the country a month and a half earlier. So one has nothing to do with the other.

So since that excuse is wrong, let me try asking again, If Snowden was only concerned about US Constitutional rights and the privacy of American citizens, why was the vast majority of the information he released on foreign intelligence collection?

 

Some information concerning foreign intelligence operations was released as payback for grounding and search of the Morales plane, other ones after Manning was sentenced. Perhaps it was indecent of Snowden to release some or all of the sensitive information he possessed to his German media contact, but in retrospect it was his own personal insurance and none of it would be made public or shared with foreign governments had Washington chosen not to gamble. Since much or most of the information NSA collects is for the purpose of blackmail, Snowden's sensitive information would have remained confidential with his German contact and perhaps certain parts would be shared with the German govt, but in most part him and his German contact probably just wanted to blackmail NSA to roll back its surveillance within bounds outside the police state or otherwise so and so would get leaked. Since Washington wanted to play hardball however and they would never ever give up their hard earned police state, Snowden needed help to stay a free man, and to this day, any information he leaked about foreign intelligence concerned the two countries that helped him - Germany and Russia. Had NSA responded positively to some of the Snowden's and his media contact's blackmail and rolled back the police state and refrained from making scenes in trying to chase him down like a wild turkey, there may have been no leaks at all. But those in Washington are so full of themselves, and never go soft, and they think they're the smartest, and gamble oh they love that. And if they fail so at least they had a good run at it and it was fun.