U.N. Orders Vatican To Hand Over Priests

So now we have a secular institution with nations such as Qatar and Saudi Arabia ordering the Vatican around. They demand that the priests be handed over to a secular institution, something reminiscent of the inquisition, when heretics were handed over to secular authorities when they should have been giving them sanctuary. Unbelievable!

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Below is a link relevant to the OP...

Reuters ~ Scathing U.N. report demands Vatican act against child sex abuse

 

It's about time SOMEBODY brought these nasty people to justice, and the church was obviously not going to do so. In ANY other institution, if management hides or protects a fugitive they are culpable....and protecting against a crime so heinous is disgusting.

 

Absolutely agree. But it's highly doubtful that the UN will be able to do anything about it. Nevertheless, it might cause the world to be more aware of the arrogant, defiant pedophile priest problem.

All religious institutions need strict oversight and should also be taxed like any other for-profit business.

 

The title of this thread seems purposefully misleading (probably the reason for no link), as the UN demanded nothing....it requested action.

"The UN report called on a commission created by Pope Francis in December to investigate all cases of child sexual abuse "as well as the conduct of the Catholic hierarchy in dealing with them".
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26044852

 

Who are these priests and what are they accused of?

I know many priests have somehow slipped away from justice after being accused of pedohilia but there could be other reasons. I doubt there are many priests in Qatar and Saudi Arabia. So why would they want some priests in custody. In fact the OP gives no details at all.

I agree the priests accused of molesting kids need to face secular justice but it is ludicrous for the U.N. to give such orders.

 

The UN is just one giant collection of hypocrites, criminals, mass murderers, organized crime syndicates, and dictators, nobody credible; they just wanted to throw out some PR stunt. This is the UN that elected Kaddaffi's ambassador to its Human Rights Commission, so its laughable that as a body they really care about 'The Children'. So many of its members deliberately murder so many of them.

 

As stated on the UN report, only the Vatican knows who they are....which is kinda the point:
"The committee said it was gravely concerned that the Holy See had not acknowledged the extent of the crimes committed.

In the report, the committee expressed its "deepest concern about child sexual abuse committed by members of the Catholic churches who operate under the authority of the Holy See, with clerics having been involved in the sexual abuse of tens of thousands of children worldwide".

It also lambasted the "practice of offenders' mobility", referring to the transfer of child abusers from parish to parish within countries, and sometimes abroad.

The committee said this practice placed "children in many countries at high risk of sexual abuse, as dozens of child sexual offenders are reported to be still in contact with children".

Thus the request for action. These "Priests" did not "Slip Away"....it seems they were hidden and allowed to abuse children elsewhere. It seem like relocating wolves so they will kill deer instead of sheep.

 

Sorry but you can't hide behind the Pope's robes after committing sexual assault of a kid. They need to stand trial just as ANY person would be expected too........unless of course you are Roman Polanski in which case you just run off to France but the Vatican is not in France so that isn't an issue here.

 

Yes I read the link someone else provided. The link was not in the OP for some reason.

I am all for the FBI interpol or whoever investigating and bringing all these priests to justice.

The UN seems pretty worthless however and they have had their own massive sex and abuse scandals with peace keepers.

 

yes, pedophile priests should be handed over to the police.


how could anyone who loves children and wants to protect them, be against this?

 

Well I think it is all the knee jerk stuff. People dont like the Catholic Church, people dont like the UN, so it is a perfect storm in a teacup for them. Most people dont realize the Church has been grilled for the last couple of weeks by a special panel of the UN. And the out of context comment came from the report you linked to. As the Vatican has observer member status at the UN, and the Human Rights commission is designed to investigate exactly the sort of thing that was going on in the Church, he seems what has occurred is both normal and obvious in terms of what the UN is designed to do.

It should also be noted the Vatican did largely cooperate with the UN investigation, and were interviewed and question extensively during the process.

 

raping children is a crime.

anyone who helps protect a criminal is also a criminal.

the Roman Catholic Church needs to hand over all pedophile priests to the police or be deemed co-conspirators and harboring criminals.

 

You will find a lot have been, perhaps the biggest issue is the time of the offenses. Many are already dead

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Catholic_sex_abuse_cases_by_country#United_States

 

I'm glad they are dead. Any who are still living need to be handed over or the police need to bust down the doors of the RCC.

 

Something else that got buried in the report is the defrocking over 400 priests for sexual crimes by the last Pope. So all those people are private individuals that no one can claim special protection from the Church

 

I believe aspiring to a potential, divine Commune of Heaven may require practicing from "each according to their ability to each according to their need" and fixing that moral Standard for civil Persons in our republic who may believe that Any commandments of Religion are more supreme than our own supreme law of the land including our Ten Amendments.

 

The UN will only defer to the courts of individual countries with extradition treaties and the like. It can't do anything else. The Vatican can release the locations of those priests without the UN. The Vatican, as a sovereign state, might conceivably be charged in the International Court by the states involved to turn over that information and as accomplices, but the UN itself is as useless as it always is. The UN is never going to throw the Pope in jail or anything.

 

The clergy of all religions abuse and rape children. It's the nature of the job, it attracts pedophiles.
The RC church because of it's organizational structure is particularly vulnerable to civil proceedings, and has suffered great financial loss, and while a great deal of the liability for this was borne by their insurance companies, they have been unable to purchase liability coverage that does not exclude sexual predation from coverage.
So any future events are all on the churches dime, and they have reacted to this with rather thorough house cleaning.
But there are always grey areas and that can be used to generate controversy.

 

The preists are criminals.

Saudi Arabia and Qatar are irrelevant to this issue other than your using them to justify you supporting the protection of child molestors.

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The preists are criminals.

Saudi Arabia and Qatar are irrelevant to this issue other than your using them to justify you supporting the protection of child molestors.

 

As members of the UN they are relevant.

And another sleazy accusation. Reported.

 

No, they aren't relevant to this issue.

It was a true statement. Report me to the hall monitors.

 

of course they are. Whether you like it or not is what is irrelevant.

Nah, just another baseless personal attack, and you got your wish.

 

In Bethlehem the Palestinian fighters were in the Church of the Nativity because they knew that they couldn't be touched by the Israelis. Churches have always been sanctuaries no matter who the person was or what he did. These Palestinians trashed the Church of the Nativity, yet they couldn't be touched.

The priests in question were defrocked. The only reason anyone would want them brought to secular justice, is so they can sue the Church, and deny the world the benefit of the Catholic Churches million and one charities for their own pockets and self serving interests. I don't doubt it was lawyers who brought it to the U.N. Wouldn't it be better if the U.N. went after the human traffickers and slave traders...oh that's right, they can't be sued.

 

protecting pedophiles is a crime.

either turn them over or the police should break down the church doors to grab the criminals...and those who protect them.

 

Then maybe the Catholic Church shouldn't have gone out of its way to protect child rapits don't ya think? Hmmm? Maybe instead of just shuffling them around whenever allegations came to light instead of turning them over to the civlian authorities or at the very least kicking them out of the church. Instead for decades the Catholic Church covered it up and moved the priests from location to location allowing them to molest even more children. The Catholic Church is a corrupt EVIL organization that is more interested in protecting itself and its image than actually obeying the laws of God.

I am so glad that I was raised Lutheran even with his flaws and warts. I would be ashamed to of being Catholic for what that vile organization has perpetrated on children around the world. The world could use a lot less "Catholic" charity and more of the type of charity that doesn't rape little kids.