Israel shipping military equipment to Iran?

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  1. Piruz

    Piruz New Member

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    Hi guys, this is my first post here.

    When I first read this piece of news I was really astonished. Why would Israel, of all countries, ship military equipment to Iran [1]?

    The report from "The Telegraph" talks about Israeli arms dealers (though it doesn't mention them by name), Avihai Weinstein and Eli Cohen, shipping F-4 and F-14 parts to Iran (Israel doesn't even operate the F-14 and all F-14 parts were shredded during Bush administration, so I don't get this part of the report). So does the Israeli government know about this? Richard Silverstein, in an article he wrote in Tikun Olam, suggests it does. Reporter Alex Fishman on his part suggests that this "explosive revelation" by the U.S comes as a warning shot for Israel not to sabotage the nuclear talks with Iran (how would shipping weapons to Iran sabotage the nuclear talks, I don't understand yet).

    Richard Silverstein, in an article written in his blog [2], says that Weinstein has been caught 3 times shipping weapons to Iran before 2004, but has never been arrested or charged with any crime. This time would be his fourth. Meanwhile the one U.S. co-conspirator we know about from one of his previous failed attempts, Leib Cohn, was charged by the FBI and went to prison. This, to Silverstein, is proof that the Israeli government is aware of the shipments to Iran.

    Better yet (and I quote this paragraph from Richard Silverstein's article), "Channel 10′s military reporter told his audience (Hebrew) that in this transaction, the arms dealer was actually doing a service for his country, since the spare parts he was attempting to send to Iran were deliberately flawed. He compared it to the sabotaged centrifuges western companies shipped to Iran some years ago, which hindered its nuclear program for a time. But this claim is a fraud. First, the F-4 is an ancient plane. Iran’s air force is completely outclassed by its Gulf neighbors who have the latest U.S. military craft, and Israel. If someone wanted to sabotage any Iranian technology they’d target something much more advanced and critical to its military posture. Second, if the spare parts were bogus why did the U.S. and Greece seize the shipment and commence an investigation? Presumably, the U.S. would want such equipment to reach Iran and be installed in the planes so they wouldn’t be able to fly."

    Well, now "The Times of Israel" reports that Avihai Weinstein and Eli Cohen have been arrested for investigation by the Israeli authorities [3]. But I wonder why they arrested him this time and not before? And what's with the timing of this "explosive" revelation by America? Also, could these transactions have been carried out by private companies in Israel without the Israeli government noticing them?

    All opinions are welcome.

    References:

    [1] http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...-equipment-shipments-from-Israel-to-Iran.html

    [2] http://www.blacklistednews.com/Moss...ns-Busting_Arms_Dealer/33024/0/38/38/Y/M.html

    [3] http://www.timesofisrael.com/two-israelis-nabbed-for-selling-arms-to-iran/
     
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    snakestretcher Banned

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    This wouldn't be the first time. Iran-Contra? US weapons, despite the arms embargo on sales to Iran, were to be covertly delivered to Iran by Israel, under instruction from Reagan in breach of the embargo. Nobody's hands are clean when it comes to selling weapons; there's big money involved and cash is king; so screw principles and morality. What do I say? Screw political rhetoric and the smug, moral lectures and the cynical drivel about 'patriotism' from your government. That's how venal these people are.

    This is good:http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Ronald_Reagan/Irangate_Israel_TICC.html
     
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    faithful_servant New Member

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    "Tower, this is F-14 pilot, my left wing seems to have fallen off and my heads up display is showing a guy wearing a Star of David giving me the finger. Got any advice on how to convert to Judiasm??"
     
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    Sure, I'm aware of the Iran-Contra scandal. But that was to secure the release of U.S hostages held by Iran and, according to Banisadr, in return for Iran delaying the release until election time is over to secure the victory of Reagan who promised Iran lots of stuff. Besides, Iran hadn't translated its anti-Israeli rhetoric into policy during those days, so the whole thing was normal.

    But why would Israel today sell weapons to Iran? And why would the U.S be the one to reveal this information to the public and investigate it further?
     
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    Israel didnt sell weapons to Iran, it was just by two Israelies that tried to sell parts of airplanes and other stuff to Iran. This two Israeli citizens have a long history of arms trade.
    One of the two, Cohen, was been in house arrest in the US, and it was the 6th time that he was been investigated according to arms trade.
    The US discovered it with the help of Financial crimes unit of Greece.
    Leib Cohen, one of the two, have an American citizenship, and he and his brother-in-law are in Israel and been investigated by Defense Minister of Israel and by the Unit of International Crime Investigations in Israel.
     
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    Stuntman please refrain from retorting defensively. I suggest to respond adequately especially when it pertains to Neturei Karta of Polish origin ensconced in the UK.
     
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    stuntman Well-Known Member

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    I responded adequately.
     
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    The fellow from the UK has only one goal and it is to trip and strip Jews, do not play into his hands.
     
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    snakestretcher Banned

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    I don't need to; you're doing a fine job yourself.:roflol:
     
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    money! is the matter son.
     
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    Yes of course when the Polish shoe fits in the UK...
     
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    Why would Israel, of all countries, ship military equipment to Iran?

    Two reasons. One, Israel is our bestest friend in the world and, two, cash.
     

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