More businesses lining up to urge Brewer to veto AZ anti-gay law-

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  1. Gorn Captain

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    By SUSANNA KIM

    Companies are publicly appealing to Arizona Gov. Janice "Jan" Brewer to veto a bill that would permit business to refuse gay customers.

    Here are some of the companies that have confirmed communication, such as letters and phone calls, to the governor's office. Read more about the bill.

    1. American Airlines

    "There is genuine concern throughout the business community that this bill, if signed into law, would jeopardize all that has been accomplished so far," Doug Parker, CEO of American Airlines, wrote in a letter to Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer that was dated Feb. 24.

    American Airlines, based in Fort Worth, Texas, merged with US Airways, which is based in Phoenix.

    "Few states suffered as greatly during the recession as Arizona," Parker writes in the letter. "Thanks to a collaborative effort between the business and civic communities, we have been able to generate an economic comeback that is beginning to show great signs of success. There is genuine concern throughout the business community that this bill, if signed into law, would jeopardize all that has been accomplished so far. Wholly apart from the stated intent of this legislation, the reality is that it has the very real potential of slowing down the momentum we have achieved by reducing the desire of businesses to locate in Arizona and depressing the travel and tourism component of the economy if both convention traffic and individual tourists decide to go elsewhere. Our economy thrives best when the doors of commerce are open to all. This bill sends the wrong message."

    2. Apple Inc.

    A spokesperson for Apple Inc. confirmed to ABC News that there was a call to Gov. Jan Brewer from one of the company's top executives urging the governor to veto the bill allowing businesses to deny service to gay customers.

    Apple is opening a plant in Mesa, Ariz., that is expected to create about 2,000 jobs.


    http://gma.yahoo.com/apple-american-airlines-urge-ariz-gov-jan-brewer-052741634--abc-news-money.html

    The article lists several others, including the Cardinals. I bolded that last line, because I have a feeling Brewer will see little "upside" to pandering to those antipathetic to gays....versus 2000 new jobs.


    BTW, WHEN (not "if") Brewer does veto the bill....will the Right blame her for "selling out"....or give her a "she was bullied into" free pass???
     
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    It should be vetoed, not because it's wrong, it's not, but because companies, states and countries will use that law against Arizona like they did 1070. It hurt Arizona bad.
     
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    If it's not vetoed all sports teams should refuse to play in Arizona.
     
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    Yeah...the will of the people who live in Arizona doesnt matter at all..the uneducated liberal opinions of people who live out of state---thats all Brewer should care about. Does American airlines really think that not passing this bill will create some upswing in massive profits? Why the hell are they so willing to alienate religious people in AZ (80%) to gay people (6%)?
     
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    Well, Marine it's good to know you'd sell out your "traditional values and morality"....if it hurts the bottom line. :)
     
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    The Apple deal is what will scare Brewer into it.....Apple will open the plant elsewhere and 2000 jobs would go away, all because Brewer wanted to pander to a few dittoheads.

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    The REPUBLICAN STATE LEGISLATURE SPONSORS of the Bill now want Brewer to veto it.
     
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    Of course it's wrong. What could possibly be right about discriminating against people for simply existing? It would also never hold up in court. It would be gone as soon as it got there. Why? Because it's wrong.

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    Astonishing, isn't it?
     
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    Actually, given Marine is an abject "defend any Republican" partisan...not so much. HE knows the real deal. This is proving a major embarrassment for the GOP nationally, as well as for Brewer and the AZ Republicans. They're looking like idiots....or "Jim Crow" segregationists...or both.

    He wants the bill to go away "not because it's wrong"...but because it's hurting his Beloved Party's image.


    BTW, said this on another thread....what do you think OTHER Republican Governors will think of such bills as they watch Jan Brewer have to make a fool of herself in the national spotlight vetoing a bill that a GOP state legislature passed...but now wants a "do-over"?
     
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    Your elected officals should have thought about that before drafting it. Or maybe they knew the governer was going to veto it and did it anyway to placate to folks on the fringes.
     
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    Of course you'll catch flak for this. Reasonable people of all political varieties, even those who support the right of businesses to deny service for any reason, agree that singling out homosexuals is a disturbing injustice.
     
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    I'm actually kind of glad this happened. It illustrates just how much the Right is completely out of touch.
     
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    When the Right actually is honest and "shows their hand"...i.e. starts to talk or pass stuff like this.....it almost always works out badly for them. Thinking back to Richard "pregnancy from rape may be God's plan" Mourdock or Todd "legitimate rape" Akin. If they had NOT tried to pander to the "pro-lifers"....they might be US Senators today.

    BTW, as I asked on the other thread....what will OTHER Republican Governors think of such bills, as they watch Jan Brewer embarrasingly veto this one....in the national spotlight???
     
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    They have written bills like this for other states, but they never became law. Smarter heads prevailed in those cases.
     
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    Let's say I have a Jewish printing shop and you come in and want me to print up 1,000 posters that is anti Jewish. Should I have the right to refuse?
     
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    No you should not. That is your job to print posters. It's like opening a burger joint but refusing to sell cheeseburgers because you are a vegetarian.
     
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    Lets take that bakery in New Mexico that refused to bake a wedding cake to two gay people. He is religious and his religion is against gay marriage. Shouldn't he have the right to refuse? He could bake them cookies, cup cakes and a regular cake. But shouldn't he have the right to refuse going against his religion and bake a gay wedding cake?
     
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    No he should not. And he was rightfully sued for discrimination.
     
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    Of course. Because you aren't refusing on the grounds of an inherent personal characteristic, such as sexual orientation or race.
     
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    Muslims cab drivers refuse to pick up people who have alcohol with them
     
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    So you are saying a Jewish print shop owner should not have the right to refuse to print 1000 swastika posters for a National Socialist rally......and the National Socialist should have the right to sue him and win in Federal court if he refuses.......this is getting rich
     
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    It's against the man's religion. Don't we have freedom of religion in this country?

    They are making him to promote something his religion is against.
     
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    The problem with your New Mexico case was the bakery was going against a state law. Same goes
    for that Oregon case that GOPers like to throw around.
     
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    And they do not have that right....If thats even true.

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    Yes exactly. His business is open to the public and therefore does not have the right to pick and choose whom he serves. Unless the customer is a problem or threatens steals etc etc.
     
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    Too bad, he is free to practice his religion privately all he wants. He is not allowed to force it on others. Mans law trumps the bible.
     
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    After watching Brewer be made a fool of...by HER OWN Republican legislature...

    no Republican Governor with any brains will want to repeat her mistake.

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    Isn't funny that NOW.....rightwingers want to compare Islam with Christianity?!?!?

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