Who brought sin and death to the earth? Man, Satan or God?

You ignored what I said and just keep lying.

In Job, God admits to doing evil without cause so do not lie to us.

Start getting honest here or be ignored as the liar you are showing yourself to be.

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DL

 

So God is the culpable one for all sins and death. I agree.

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DL

 

Define sin. Do this and you will find that God sins unless you make up a very silly definition but even this will not help you.

 

If we assume that God created the Earth and everything in it "including Satan" then of course the answer is that it was God who created sin.

Obviously if God had not created all of the above then there would be no sin on the Earth as th

 

special pleading.

they're obsessed with the idea of moral perfection, yet exercise none when it comes to deciding on who best to guide them to same.

 

yes, god gives the thirsty two glasses. one contains water, the other a brightly coloured and foul smelling toxin. and I bolded the important bit.

please explain what you mean by 'an open mind of the subject of faith'. then you might explain why you think only those who either agree with you, or are 'open minded on the subject of faith' should enter debates?

 

few people grasp this? you, of course, would be one of the few. humility was never high on the list of priorities for christians.

and for the record, we don't confuse the actions of people acting in the name of religion with him, because HE isn't real. what we actually do, is read your book. it's the abuses as written, attributed to your god, which turn our stomachs. that you people defend these abuses is another horror story altogether.

 

So motivating someone to do what is best for them by making doing what is bad for them unpleasant is now extortion? If you have kids, I'll bet that they all have a collection of half-melted forks from sticking them in outlets.

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Evasion??? Changing the subject away from a question that's going to challenge you??
Go back to my question and show me where God has ever forced anyone to love Him.

 

1) there is a UNIVERSE of difference between the temporary withholding of privileges as punishment for indiscretion, and eternal torture for choosing a different (or none) superhero. only the morally uncertain would think that the latter is no worse than the former.

2) the minute you decide to believe in god/s, you no longer have a choice. as if you do, you must then believe that the threat of eternal torture is real. i.e., your god DOES force you to love him. just as surely as any rapist forces his victim by threatening death as the alternative to submission.

 

B S on evasion.

You spoke of moral lessons and I am asking what lesson you learned from that vile example of what you God does often in scriptures. Punishes others instead of the guilty.

Don't evade pal and don't say others do what you are doing.

I would not like to hint that you are a -----

[video=youtube;vngjoSb-XrE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vngjoSb-XrE[/video]

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DL

 

God is supposedly Omnipotent, therefore responsible for everything.

 

Christians do not agree but I do.

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DL

 

Your comment is contradictory...and just plain wrong.

There is no free will... God sets his conditions and punishes transgressions. He punished the very first transgression of humanity after giving them the very first rule with the apple. You don't have free will when you have laws, you are limited, and threatened, no less, with some form of consequence for breaking those laws. From the very beginning, there was no free will. One could, at best, say that he was a lenient master at times as compared to other times...perhaps.

 

Well, an extortionist does exactly the same thing.
What's best for their victims is to pay up or something rather unpleasant will happen to them.

What's worse in the case of religion is the supernatural alien in charge apparently established all the rules of both what is good and what is bad for each acolyte, is perfectly comfortable in condemning them to horrific eternal torture, and already knows what the end result is going to be.

 

Nothing exists without God creating it's potential. Therefore, God itself is responsible.

 

I agree. If there was a first cause then that cause caused everything that followed.

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DL

 

you mean this in the context of the christian religion?

satin wasn't human,

god only told A and E not to eat, unless you think A and E were wiser than god, why would god have any meaningful reason to explain himself?

 

God seemed to think he had to otherwise he would not have even given any direction. Right?

If he did bother, and he did, do you not think he should have given full disclosure since it was to be A & E's greatest and most important decision?

Also, since it was their most important decision, why did God put Satan right there with the power to make happen what did happen? He would have know it would thus wanted things to go as they did. Right?

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DL

 

You know...besides the Noah Flood story...the Adam and Eve story has got to be at least the second most idiotic Biblical Story.

I mean....it just is REALLY STUPID and it's plot is unbelievable and it's ending just forces the reader to close the book and say..."WHAT THE F@$#?" "I wasted my time reading that trash?"

The vast majority of Christians and this started with Pope John Paul II's decree that EVOLUTION was a FACT and that Catholics should be prepared for the possibility that groups like NASA may very well soon find LIFE on other planets in our Solar System and that the Universe is most certainly home to a great number of Life Forms as well as Intelligent Life.....and the Pope said this and was the first and then the vast majority of other Christian sect Leadership followed as all told the Faithful the Old Testament SHOULD NOT BE TAKEN LITERALLY!!!

This was a VERY smart thing to do on the part of Pope John Paul II who I consider to be a man way in front of the CURVE....as he allowed Catholics and then the vast majority of following Christian's to come to terms with SCIENTIFIC REALITIES that were at this point in History well understood....and realize THERE WAS NO CONFLICT BETWEEN EVOLUTION AND OTHER REALITIES AND ONES BELIEF IN A GOD.

John Paul stated...smartly....and even though I don't necessarily believe a GOD exists in the same manner or if at all in the way the Pope did....I do appreciate how the Pope moved Christianity into the Modern World....the Pope stated that the Vatican Science Team had reviewed new data and information which had brought them to the obvious conclusion that there was no disputing the REALITY OF EVOLUTION.

The Rome and Italian Press the next day ran headlines that said...POPE SAY'S WE COME FROM MONKEY'S!

Too Funny!! LOL!!

AboveAlpha

 

AboveAlpha

You are correct a far as Christianity and how it reads Genesis.

The bible is a rather good book though to think about God. Christians do not think of course but others who do will recognize that they are reading genesis backwards as compared to the Jews who say it as man's elevation and not his fall.

Christians are idol worshipers and have screwed up a decent Jewish coming of age myth.

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DL

 

Personally I believe the Jews, Christian's and Muslim's have all gotten it wrong.

VERY wrong.

AboveAlpha

 

Impossible and poorly thought out.

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DL

 

And you base your reply upon...WHAT exactly???

AboveAlpha

 

"Who brought sin and death to the earth? Man, Satan or God?"

the Anunnaki?

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Well...Death is an inherent part of Life...Sin....is a man made concept.

We certainly don't think a Lion Sinned when it kills another Lion over territory or food.

We just happened to have evolved a big brain which makes us think WAY too much.

AboveAlpha