Putin Caves In... Score 1 for Obama!!!

How is this a victory for Obama exactly? How is any part of Putin's decision a direct result of anything Obama said? This just sounds like a desperate stretch to put a point in your political score board and if you have to do that then you might want to rething your gameplan or your teammates because something isn't working right.

 

The Europeans may well be thinking about the broader ramifications. They live there, Putin is unlikely to forget any slights towards Russia, and hey, Europe knows they have three more years of Obama to deal with, who knows what that clown will muck up next...

 

Giving obama credit for every success is as bad as giving obama blame for every failure.

Sometimes the world does things without considering obama.

Such as Putin stepping back from war in Ukraine. That has nothing to do with obama. The Russian Public Opinion Research Center (WCIOM), which is tied to the Russian govt, polled 1600 Russians about the Ukraine. One question, and a leading one, was "Should Russia react to the overthrow of the legally elected authorities in the Ukraine?" 15% said yes, 73% said no.

War with the Ukraine is extremely unpopular in Russia. Putin to a certain extent cannot ignore the Russian people. Even when it was the USSR, the Soviets eventually left Afghanistan partly due to pressure from the Soviet people.

Just like the American people stopped obama from starting a war with Syria, the Russian people have stopped Putin from starting a war with the Ukraine. Credit goes to the Russian people, not to obama.

 

Withdraw troops from the 3 naval bases that they own?

 

We will see, the Russians said eerily similar things before they normalized brotherly Czechoslovakia. Today seems good, Kerry gave a good speech today. The market hit Putin hard before sanctions even came in. The Obama team seemed focused.

 

Kerry made a great case against war and the message seemed directed at the people of Russia, to me at least. The market hit couldn't have helped...eh... they played well today I think. John Kerry did far better then I thought he would have.

 

Kerry made a political and moral case, thats not going to work on someone like Putin particularly since the credibility of team obama is so low. The main point Kerry made was the US is going to pledge $1Billion to the Ukraine, but thats a drop in the bucket. Ukraine needs around $11B immediately just to avoid bankruptcy. Russia is not going to leave the Crimea, they have far too much of a national interest in the Crimea.

 

At least the so called "progressive comedians" are somewhat funny, and are billed as comedians. The comedians on Fox News who are posing as journalists really think that they are serious news reporters. Hannity, O'Reilly and the blond broad are camp humor. Nobody with above room temp IQ is laughing with them, but at them.

 

He makes life harder for Putin at home. It is important that the propaganda argument be rebuked. Russians don't want Ukranians killed, they have to be tricked into it I think. He puts Putin in the position of looking like a warmonger. They didn't issue red lines that would be laughed at, they undermined Putin's position and I think that was a smart move.

 

So what are you saying? We shouldn't take what Jon Stewart, Stephen Colbert, and the others are saying because they are advertised as comedians? You should speak to your fellow progressives about that, in that case, since many get their daily news from these sources.

No, I think their political views are meant to be taken seriously, despite being delivered via humor. I think your objection is off the mark.

"Blond broad". Careful, friend. If a conservative Republican had said this instead of a progressive Democrat, it would have been evidence of contempt in the ongoing "war on women".

 

I am saying that Stewart and Colbert are pretty funny. They are professional stand up comedians who deal in political satire. They don't pretend to be journalists. However, the crap that Hannity, O'Reilly and the blond broad spew as journalism is usually nothing more than a bad joke. I would say the same regarding Matthews, Maddow, O'Brein and the other ultra-partisan imbeciles operating out of MSNBC.

I am not a "progressive Democrat", whatever that is and I reserve the right to call the little cuties on Fox News blond broads any time I choose...

 

Umm, Russian troops are still in Ukraine. So, not so much.

But, mindlessly cheerlead anyway.

 

Yeah he caved alright. Was that before or after he fired off an ICBM?

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Yeah he caved alright. Was that before or after he fired off an ICBM?

 

Well, you know how trustworthy Putin is....

No kidding.

 

How so?

Since when is any of what goes on in Europe the USA's business??


Readers will note that far right deluded Republicans on this forum are continually making attacks on President Obama but are not specifying as to what or how he has done anything wrong. As always, they are just spewing hate and right wing propaganda.

Did they do the same on this forum when Russia invaded Georgia or Chechnya?

I'm willing to bet they were either silent or applauded those invasions.

 

At least 19 threads on the same subject:


http://www.politicalforum.com/search.php?searchid=1307160


Except for this one, most are just repeated attacks and hate upon President Obama.


Is someone paying these right wingers for their hate and lies?????



Now consider:






Republicanism is nothing more than delusionalism. The Truth, the facts speak for themselves.

 

never said it was our business. and it isn't. let em kill each other. better them than us. also im not far right. in the middle. so we should, like you bow down to his majesty Obozo ???? yeah right

 

Obama and Putin share a common character trait, they lie.

 

Truth? Is what you choose to accept all that is required to be truth? Please...

 

Note again = more criticism but nothing of substance in the right winger's posts.


This political toon tells it all:






Somehow, no matter how remote the USA is from a problem, and despite the fact that it is none of our business, it's always,



BLAME OBAMA!



Again, it shows just how desperate and how full of hate these right wingers are.

 

Note again = the OP is yet another baseless, unsubstantiated, completely farcical attempt to credit our bumbling idiot of a president for something, anything.

 

Thanks for confirming what I wrote.

 

The (bi)-polarization of politics in the USA is a bizarre thing to see from the sidelines. The attitudes seem to be based purely on which party is in power for a disturbingly large segment of the population. Perhaps what I hear and read is the vocal minority and the people I chose to befriend when I lived in California certainly didn't fall under the spell of viewing political parties as one might the local sports team but it's a bit disturbing to say the least.

If for some reason it was a Republican party in the whit-house the same careful stance would be viewed as statesmanship.

It's really kind of sad.

 

yeah me. and im makin' a killin. and luv my job.oops check's in the mail box. gotta run

BTY who's the funny guy with the big ears??? looks like a taxi cab going going the street with the doors open

 

The difference is that Clinton, along with other world leaders promised the Ukraine that if they rid themselves of their sizable Nuclear Arsenal, along with their military, we would guarantee their security. Obama himself re-iterated the treaty in 2009.
Personally, I think we should threaten Russia with expanding U.S. drilling and exporting of Natural Gas. If they don't back down, the announcement of a plan like this would have an immediate effect on world Oil and Gas markets, causing pricing to plummet. Just like what happened when Bush publicly entertained lifting the ban on offshore oil drilling on the East and West Coasts of the U.S.