78% Favor Proof of Citizenship Before Being Allowed to Vote

Not in my state of California that I know of. It's done as an ID the day it expires, the 30 days is a grace period where you can renew without re-applying.

 

I am not a citizen - I have a drivers license

 

I don't want to be called 'racist' so I think we should let the democrat minorities 'vote early and often'........it's not like conservatives will ever win a national election in this country ever again now that the 'takers' have figured out they can vote themselves the keys to the treasury........waiting for the dictatorship that inevitabley follows.......hope they are nice people.

 

Clearly the only way we will ever see voter fraud reform is if the Republicans decide to cheat in the same way as the Democrats, but make a very business-like, organized, and efficient job of it, to the point that Democrats start loosing.

Even then, we would likely see that the Dems would try to implement measures to stop the Republican cheating, while continuing to allow their own.

I suspect it won't really get any better until after the next American Civil War.

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If you are here as a legal resident, why wouldn't you? Have you been voting?

 

My point is - what documents do you have to posses to prove you are a citizen. The most obvious DL and SSN are both legally attainable to legal non citizens. Now depending on the year, there are 10 - 15 million of us.

To directly answer your question - No I have never attempted to vote. Though I was given the privilege of being an observer during the 2008 Presidential election

 

Still waiting for the names of those who cannot vote.

 

the laws are not in place yet, if you think no valid voters will be denied, you should have no issue with requiring the state to pay said individuals 100k per person if their rights are denied

the only reason for being against that is you know it would cost to much - IE too many with valid ID would be denied

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They have a role at the voting precinct of all people who are allowed to vote. You should at least show that your name and address match up with what's on your registration.

You should also be required to show photo ID when you register to vote.

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I'm all for it. As long as those people made full effort to go and get an identification and were denied one.

 

if they have a DL as a ID, even one thatis expired in the last couple weeks, and are denied the right to vote, then they should get 100k

the ID is still valid, it's just no longer valid as a license to drive

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The ID would no longer be valid for voting either. That would be part of requiring a VALID ID to vote.

There are other ID's one could use as well. I'm sure there could be exceptions made. If your ID was not in date, you could bring other identification with you to provide evidence that the ID and address was still correct.

 

Ah..... to get registered to vote you need a birth certificate or naturalization papers. To vote the ID only serves to Identify you on the registered voter list.

 

And here is what I worry about - Getting your birth certificate. Do we know for example how many records were destroyed during Katrina, and the various other disasters that have hit towns around the country. If I was born in Greensboro Kansas, were the records destroyed, etc etc. For naturalized citizens it is easy, our information is stored in a couple central data bases around the country, so should be easy to reconstruct a paper trail, but for people before the digital age.... I worry

 

As a liberal, I have actually come over on this issue. I think you should provide proof of citizenship before voting.

However, I do still have a problem with this whole situation. Some of the states that want this are trying to make it so that you can't just use your state ID or drivers license, they want to make a separate card, and have it cost money too. I see that as a heap of bureaucratic BS, and a borderline poll tax. You should only have to provide your usual state ID of drivers license.

Oh, and another issue I have, which has been stated by posters above me is the records issue. States need to get their acts together and get their records transferred over to electronic storage. That would also go a long way to solve the problem.

 

In the system being proposed, what is the process for getting onto that roll in the first place?

 

You shouldn't worry about it, those old fashioned records are replicated in the State Capitol in the Bureau of Vital Statistics. I was born in 1957 and can still get my birth certificate from either my hometown or the State.

 

I didn't know that - I was led to believe the records where held in the county seats.

 

The county seats AND the city you're born in as well. At least that is the way it was where I was born, they were in 3 places.

BTW the hospital I was born in has one too.

 

which is nonsense, it's just as valid as a form of ID, otherwise people with birthdays on or near election day are penalised and have to go to the dmv in order to vote and maybe get the time off to spend hours waiting for a new license

no reason to claim a dl is no longer a id, still has a picture of you, it still an id

your proving my point though the issues that may be encountered

btw, what happens if the id taker decides you don't look enough like your id? maybe to them you look like the other party voter so they just say it's doesn't look valid, what recourse should those folks have

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If records were destroyed, they will send you a note telling you so. That should be except able along with some other form, like an electric bill.

 

Then have a rule if the driver's license is valid for voting if no older than 30 days expired.

 

sounds like the beginnings of a national id

 

Only the left gets twisted about this. Since they embrace voter fraud I see their point.

 

from this thread it's very clear rules would need to be very specific about all matter similar to this, can't have people making up their own rules on the fly based on per-concieved notions that a ID is no longer a ID after a certain date

 

Hmmmm what are so many smart and educated voters doing with out an ID ? How do they drive ? How do they get their smart and educated job with out this ID ?