Should people without kids pay higher taxes?

http://money.cnn.com/2014/04/07/pf/taxes/childless-parents-taxes/

So im confused.

Because, at 25, I don't want kids any time soon, if ever, because I like to travel, I like to gamble, I like to drink, I like to have nice things and a nice car, I like to give nice gifts, I like going to the NCAA championship game Monday, I like eating at nice restaurants and taking my girlfriend to nice places.

And I can do all these things because I have chosen not to have kids. Theyre expensive and time consuming. No thanks.

But some think I should pay more taxes because I didnt accidentally impregnate my girlfriend? Am I hearing this right? Look if you want kids, go ahead. More power to you, and I hope its as cool to you as it seems awful to me, but dont punish me because I didnt mess up.

 

So you are for no deductions for anything and across the board flat income tax?

How about 16% flat income tax. 10% goes to the state and 6% goes to the feds, and all other taxes are eliminated. K.I.S.S

 

Hey, I don't have kids either. Why do I have to fund public schools? I also don't like wars, can I get a refund on what I paid for Iraq and Afghanistan?

 

You can decide if you want kids. You cant decide if we go to war.

That escalated quickly.

 

Nah, you're fine. As the material you linked to shows, you already pay more (per capita) than a family with dependent children. Not everyone is cut out to be a parent - if you feel you're not ready, or not there yet, or don't feel the urge, it's probably best to wait until you do.

On the plus side, you're helping to pay for the schools, universities, libraries, roads, hospitals, sewers, mass transit & on & on. Probably more than the direct use you actually get out of them - but that's OK. That's the deal on civilization - people can specialize, we don't all have to grow our own crops, butcher our own meat, etc.

Everyone contributes, one way or the other. The trick is to keep the political economy, as well as the financial, in balance. It's a neat trick, as you can see. & in a republic, it can get noisy & cantankerous. That's OK, nobody dies - TMK - due to noisy & cantankerous.

 

People who don't have kids should be taxed less since they aren't making use of the public school system and various health care related costs.

 

Im all for a flat tax. Id prefer no deductions of any kind. A flat tax would eliminate the need for the 70,000+ pages of tax code.

If everyone over X amount of money paid a X percentage of their income, nobody has room to (*)(*)(*)(*)(*) that so and so pays less taxes.

Simple. Easy.

 

Yes, get ready for more of this. It is one of the consequences of decades of gynoculture, a reductio ad absurdum to literally any form of rights curtailment or seizures so long as it is "for the children." This appeal has worked in every other way to build up the gynostate, why not out and out theft? It's your civic duty to support the children of others if you choose to have none of your own. Nothing could be more reasonable. On what grounds could you possibly object to this?

 

(My bold)

Sure, you can skip paying for schools, universities, medical schools, doctors, hospitals. Let's see - the next time you need your blood pressure lowered - it'll be leeches or bleeding (or both!) for you. That'll be one goat, please.

As for our foreign policy. Well, the facetious answer is that we fight wars far away so that our schoolchildren will pay attention in geography class. The serious answer is that our foreign policy is too important to be left solely to the suits. So, we need to pay attention & if things are going not to your liking, speak up. Write to your Congress-critter, write letters to the editor, post on social media, talk to your friends, join political groups & work towards what you want to see. It beats sitting around the house anyway, & engagement will give you a different set of friends & acquaintances, keep you informed, make you a better citizen. You don't really want to be just a consumer, the role that TV & most mass media & PR companies & too many other players want you to have - leaving the field free for them to advocate whatever it is that they want.

Get out there - join a faction. If there isn't one you like, create one you do.

 

Exactly why it will never happen.

The tax code is an invention of the rich/elites, by and for rich/elites. The fair and unfair aspects is to keep everybody arguing over nitpicking it to death rather than coming to the conclusion that the entire system is rigged.

 

If you think of it in term of the child receiving the tax deduction rather than the guardian who claims the child it actually evens out for everyone.

Since we were all children once and were all claimed as a dependent at one time (well almost all).

You were claimed by you parents for at least 18 years yes? Like you said, a child is expensive. You and I and most people on these forums had their own expense subsidized when they were children thru a tax deduction.

Also you will not get a tax reduction just for getting a girl pregnant.

 

Children are the future. When you are collecting social security, you will be happy that my children and their children are still paying into it.

 

interesting

Mitt Romney paid over $3 million per year in 2010 and 2011 in Federal taxes. Do you think he consumed $3 million in federal services?

 

No we shouldnt. Frankly I pay 25% in taxes with no Kids. The tax code should have no deductions at all 5 brackets no deductions. I did not choose to have kids and I shouldnt have pay for other peoples kids in a form of deductions

 

I sort of agree with this. I just don't think kids should be a deduction.

 

I don't think there should be differing tax rates, but I do support dependent deductions and think they should be higher. Why? Because families, parents with children, are what make this society work and give it a future. You don't want kids, I'm fine with that. I don't think anyone should be a parent who doesn't want to be, but as a single adult, you are basically a free rider contributing far less to society than your getting. The only reason you can expect to get some amount of social security and medicare when you retire is because other people raised children who go into the workforce while you're retiring. Other people's kids will be your doctor's, caregivers, basically any service that you want will be supplied by someone else's kids.

 

You have it backwards. By having no kids, you are paying MORE into the system then you are getting out. Childless people pay property and school taxes and don't have kids in the schools. Also, those same people paid INTO SS, so they are entitled to get something out of it.

 

He also only paid 14% of his reported income, so he still cleared over 16 million. (Not too shabby, since any other place on the planet he would have either paid much more or earned a whole lot less.) IOW that wasn't his entire income, or based on what he really made. He most likely hid more than that in offshore accounts, most of the rich/elites do.

If you (not necessarily you) are going to designate a percentage to the equation then if a working class citizen has to pay over 14% then so should he. That's what you call fair.

 

kids' parents should be TAXED, not given tax advantages, nor others taxed to raise THEIR kids for them. we need more kids like we need holes in our heads.

 

unearned vs earned income. Again I ask, is $3 million sufficient to take from an individual?

 

The idea of childless people paying more taxes than those with children is something only a flaming liberal CNN affiliate could dare to propose. It's plain dumb.

 

I am 56 years old and I've been paying more than my fair share since before I was 25 and decided I didn't want kids. I did that because Epilepsy runs in my family. Myself and my only brother do not have it, so the chances are great at least one of us would pass it on to our kids. My brother has 2 and neither has it. Statistically at least one of mine would. It was a chance I was unwilling to take.

I too resent having to pay ever increasing school taxes to educate someone else's kids. Us childless folks need to push legislators to pass laws making a base rate tax for education and the rest is paid for by how many kids you have in school. You want the kids YOU pay for them......period!

 

Childless adults are only paying more into the system than they are getting out if children are nothing more than a net drain on the system. As far as social security goes, I don't care what you think you're owed, the way the system is set up is that your payments are dependent on the working people paying taxes while your retired. I hope you don't think your SS taxes were going for you do you?

 

because someday those kids in school will be leading this country, regardless if they are yours or not, so it's in societies best interest to give them a education

 

Without kids I am already paying for other people's children. I don't mind paying taxes for schools, that is understandable (although, the schools these days generally waste my money), but I shouldn't be taxed extra because I choose not to have children. Not to say I will never have kids, I just believe it is unfair to me (I have things I want to do before then) and the child (I want to be able to provide for them) to have kids at this point in time.

But surely, I shouldn't be penalized for NOT having children before my 30's.