WP: ‘Cat’s Out of the Bag’ on IRS Targeting Scandal

LOL. You cannot differentiate between opinion from a newspaper article and actual data from the TIGTA report, can you. Again, I have read the report. And as a former IRS agent, I know about the audit process in detail.

As for facts, less than 1 million people have been audited by the IRS and that figure is going down. Yet tax cheats is going up. Look at Caterpillar tax evasion example.

 

Hah! Yeah well it is an obvious next step for the GOP, isn't it? I mean I should get as much credit for coming up with this as -- say -- anyone else should get for predicting that an empowered leftwing politician is going to howl for raising taxes while also doing his or her very best to eliminate private gun ownership and general freedoms for most citizens. I mean . . . how can one go wrong by predicting the foreordained?

 

I see that you're still trying to sell you lie without any evidence. Since you can't provide any, and you've had three days to look for it by now, you're trying a series of straw men.

Yes, self declared entities are allowed to do business in exactly the same way as they would be if their tax status had been formally approved. That's what a self declared entity means, and entities in the 501c4 catagory are self declared.

You already know that I did not make that claim. You already know that I described the specific advantage that conservative 501c4 groups were looking for, the ability to keep thier sources of funds concealed from their members and the general public. This advantage has two componants. When right wing consultants and activsts fanned out across the country "helping" the grass roots set up these groups and financing them, they pushed all of them towards this tax category. The reason was to hide donors identities, so the big corporate interests could fund the movement while hiding behind the illusion of "grass roots". As self declared entities, that ability started on day one. And since the opertives only needed the tea party to last through the 2010 Congressional mid term elections, they didn't care how long it took to review the applications. In fact, they knew from experience that this typically takes months, by which time the election would be over, and the K Street boys and their money would be gone.

You dismissed this as "irrelvant" in this very thread, and now you're pretending otherwise.....

Yes. It is not a political organization. We did it because it's a civic organization, and we don't want to pay income taxes. It took 18 months to get approved, using an attorney. I can think of six other 501c3 organizations in our community. Three are museums, one is the Arts Commission, the fire company and the ambulance corp round up the remainder of the list.

See above. But it was pointless questions.

Again, you can not offer a single shred of evidence to support your false claim that tea party group;s activities were hampered in any way by the fact that they had not yet recieved official approval of their 501c4 tax status/

You've had three days to look for it, and you haven't produced a thing. You can't and we both know it.

In the end NOT ONE tea party group has been denied 501c4 tax status, yet several of the liberal groups that were reviewed under the SAME process WERE denied.

You have no case to make, and we both know it. Now you've retreated to trying to put words in my mouth.

 

You forgot Obama's Jobs Czar's company GE. I think a grand jury will indite Lerner.

They willfully targeted tea party and conservative groups to deprive them of a tax exempt status that is privileged under the law. The Nixon administration resisted and insisted it did nothing wrong too. Once the Dominoes start to fall, it will all unravel quickly for Lois and the IRS. I think Issa is going about it the wrong way. Go after the mid-level managers FIRST and make it clear that they will walk away from this with no job, a criminal record and possibly some jail time in this economy. Good luck finding another job with those credentials. They'll start singing like a Canary or end up under the wheels of the Obama Bus.

 

I see you still aren't any brighter despite your lessons.

Except if your application for 501 (c)4 is put in on hold for two whole years, your tax exempt status (the whole point of applying for 501 (c)4 designation) is also dormant for that two year period as well! Funny you keep going on about my so called lies while you tell this whopper over and over again.

Then plainly your claim that Tea Party groups were not disadvantaged is a lie!
I don't know, in this light, what all your other blather is about.

No, it's still irrelevant. How am I pretending otherwise? Whether you believe big money was financing some Tea Party groups or not is irrelevant.
The issue is the illegal and unethical disparate treatment of political groups not amicable to the president. Period!

How many ways should I say it?
..............They were plainly hampered because they did not receive the tax exempt status they had every right to have and that sources friendly to the president got in a timely and routine matter.

Donations to Tea Party groups were NOT considered tax exempt while, in theory, those same donations, going to leftist causes were tax exempt,
a considerable inducement to people considering whether or not to give money (a political cause's life blood) to a particular candidate or cause, or not.
Please stop lying about this.
Additionally let me say once again (though it's tiresome by now) that your assessment of whether Tea Party groups were harmed by the IRS illegally sitting on their applications, or not, is absolutely irrelevant!

A. Because it isn't true on a very basic level and there was obvious harm. And B, disparate treatment based on political affiliations by the IRS is strictly illegal and unethical, to say the least. So in and of itself, without any other consideration, what the IRS did was very wrong and your opinion on the matter is inconsequential and just so much bull crap.

The Tea Party voice was stifled and put at a distinct disadvantage during a crucial two year period leading up to the presidential election of 2012. Once again you are lamely trying to rationalize the damage done (as law breakers do) and anything that happened
subsequently to other groups is absolutely beside the point.

You amuse me.

 

Gosh, why WOULD someone suspect that the IRS could possibly lean towards Liberal groups?

 

It appears the Dems learned the lessons of Watergate well....insure you control the attorney general insure the AG knows that he will keep his job regardless of his actions and you also assure no criminal actions from the rest of the Executive branch will not be prosecuted seriously. Clinton had Reno and Obama Holder..

 

John Mitchell was roasted by the press for propping up Nixon during Watergate.
They have no such problems with Reno and Holder. I wonder why.

 

TomFitz's premise is wrong, All that is necessary is to read the IRS-IG report. It explains the wrong doings of the IRS.
http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/TIGTA-201310053fr-revised-redacted-1.pdf

http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/tigta-201310053_oa_highlights.pdf

Perhaps TomFitz can explain the above in Progressive newspeak.

 

The idea that Tea Party groups, that had their applications for tax exempt status pulled out of circulation for two years, were not disadvantaged is just absurd on the face of things.

If there is no advantage to having donations to your organization made tax free then why do so many groups seek 501 (c)4 status?
He's parading around a lie and claiming that the IRS has done nothing wrong in using it's authority to deny Tea Party groups what it regularly
provides for groups favorable to the president.

 

Erm, no. "Security", provided by the state, IS tyranny.

 

So now you claim the Inspector General of the IRS is wrong? Could it be that he refuses to tow your party line?

 

That was the point....If your AG holds firm, then the ability of the Justice system to properly investigate criminality on the part of the administration is about zip...Congress can investigate, forward criminal referrals to the AG but the AG does nothing with the referral.

 

Hussein Obama operatives openly campaigning in the Dallas IRS office.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news...-pro-obama-stickers-scr/#.U0VzqjIp4xU.twitter


There has to be an institutional penalty on the IRS for letting itself get as politicized as the DoJ.

 

No. Which post were you reading? Not the one I was writing.

 

Yes. It's a real flaw in our system where the AG can stonewall and faces no negative consequences.
I wish our congress had more balls and I wonder when Boehner will take a stand against the lawless Obama regime?

 

The American people also deserve to know what happened on 9/11 and why we invaded a country that had nothing to do with 9/11 or anything else. We ain't ever gonna know, so good luck with your little IRS thangy.

Btw, I didn't know that it was a crime for the IRS to investigate tax cheats. You got something else to charge the villains with?

 

What you also don't know is that anyone connected with the Tea Party groups discriminated against by the IRS are "tax cheats".

If you have evidence to the contrary present it or stop trolling.

 

If I was on that committee, I would say loud and clear that the first time we have a change in party in the white house, the new AG would prosecute, even if it takes them another 3 years to reach Justice.

 

I agree totally.
One of the first jobs of a new republican presidency will be to go back and prosecute Eric Holder for subverting the law for eight years on behalf of his master, Barry Obama.

 

Once again, you're making stuff up because you can't prove your core claim.

You've had no less than 105 posts on this thread alone to produce any evidence that tea party groups were prevented from doing business because the IRS still had their applications.

You can't, and we both know it.

Donations to 501c4 organization are NOT tax deductible. Period.

Which blows your latest attempt to manufacture evidence that doesn't exist!

 

What premise might that be?

My premise was that no tea party group was prevented from doing business, collecting money, or doing political work in any way while their applications were pending. That's always the case with self declared entities like 501c3 and c4 organizations.

I will further add that no tea party group was refused approval of their 501c4 status, which is also a fact.

Few people involved in the tea party movement were even aware of their group's tax status or whether it was pending or not. So, there was no chilling effect.

No documented evidence exists anywhere that says that any tea party group was interfered with in its operations. They were asked unnecessary questions in some cases, which is wrong. But they were not prevented from operating, nor were they denied their tax exempt status or their right to hide their donors.

(It's all there in your links).

Yosh has made this claim through over 100 posts now, and can't prove a word of it. He know it., so he's offered up a series of rationaliztions.

The latest is the claim that pending tax exempt status prevented people from realizing tax deductions on their donations. But donations to 501c4 groups are not tax deductible at all, under any circumstances, lending the lie to this rationalizations.

He also does not like the fact that is is true that most major tea party organziations used this status as a way of hiding the fact that many of the more promient groups were fronts for corporations and lobbyists. You can't fool the rubes by letting them know that Wall Street is pulling the strings. So organizaitons that front for Koch Industries (American for Prosperity, Club for Growth), the right wing poltical consulting firm Russo Marsh (Tea Party Express) and for Dick Armey's lobbying shop (FreedomWorks) all are 501c4's.

Yosh can make that claim all day long. But he can't prove it.

 

Except for the fact that those making application for 501(c)(3) or (4)'s, suddenly opens the applicants to IRS audits, FBI investigations, BATF raids on property, and OSHA inspections. Strange isn't it that suddenly the government should be inspecting, raiding and auditing companies that just so happened to apply for 501(c)(3) or (4) status.

 

obama could eat little children's hearts, tearing the organs out of their little chests on real time TV and the left wingers would still cheer, believe it.

 

Yep . . . and I sincerely hope that Right of Center posters remember that when -- in all likelihood -- a GOP president replaces Obama at the end of 2016; and so they hold him or her up to much, MUCH higher standards than the Left has ever pretended to hold Barack Obama. Some party has GOT to break this chain of "Whatever our side's president does is ALWAYS A-Okay with us," ideologically and politically based garbage.