Holocaust denial - why does it even exist?

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  1. munter

    munter New Member

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    Deliberate murder is a necessary factor.

    Death through disease or incidental poverty, is not necessarily a factor.
     
  2. goober

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    OK, so there's a number , 6 million, it was arrived at by adding up a bunch of numbers, estimates of the number killed at all the locations associated with "The Holocaust", since then many of those numbers have been reduced, but the total has remained sacred.
    Partially because if I say "What if it was only 3 million"?, I sound like I'm trying to weasel my way to "it didn't happen".
    But, so 6 million is high, so what, the point is it was a horrible thing, and even if the real number is 5 million or 3 million or even "just" a million,it's still a horrible thing.
    So lets say six million, because it really doesn't matter what that number was, at least not now, the source materials are archived, let historians worry about it when the emotion is the same as the number of people tossed to the lions by Nero, it's a historically interesting fact, but not a heated debate.
     
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    jack4freedom Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It is anti-Semitic to point out genocides of anyone other than Jews. Especially if those genocides were committed by Jews such as those in charge of the Bolsheviks. You should be ashamed of yourself. Haven't they suffered enough?
     
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    Wehrwolfen Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Your anti-Semitic views seem to overcome your Marxist ideology. You've been reading to many Progressive racist pamphlets handed out by political hacks.

    "Jewish Bolshevism (also known as Judeo-Bolshevism or Jewish Communism) is a theory that Bolshevism was the product of a supposed international Jewish conspiracy to run the world.[1][page needed] The expression has been used as a catchword for the assertion that Communism is a Jewish conspiracy, and it has often coincided with overtly aggressive nationalistic tendencies in the 20th century and 21st century.
    **Snip**
    "The idea that communist oppression was somehow Jewish in nature is belied by the record of communist regimes in countries like China, North Korea, and Cambodia, where the Jewish presence was and is miniscule."

    See:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Bolshevism

    The term "Judeo-Bolshevism" was adopted and used in Nazi Germany to refer to Jews and communists together, implying that the communist movement served Jewish interests.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antise...causing_wars.2C_revolutions.2C_and_calamities
     
  5. munter

    munter New Member

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    Good post, and all those bolsheviks were atheists anyway, as was Karl Marx.

    And of course, Mao, Pot, Castro - Jews? of course not.

    Hitler was more of a Jew than the lot of them put together.
     
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    Wehrwolfen Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Try some reading to expand your ideas on Genocide.
    Classical Liberalism: Progressive Era Eugenics
    http://traditionalliberalism.blogspot.com/2011/10/progressive-era-eugenics.html
    Oct 13, 2011 · If you would like to learn more about the progressive eugenics ... of progressive and Nazi views on eugenics, ... socialism, nazism, progressive ...
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~​


    Karl Marx Quotes You Have Not Heard Before | Dawkinswatch
    http://dawkinswatch.wordpress.com/2009/05/18/karl-marx-quotes-you-have-not-heard-before/
    May 18, 2009 · Karl Marx Quotes quotes calling for Genocide of Races We have been sudying the ... Nazism and Marxism? ... and the Eugenics movement can be blamed ...
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    Wehrwolfen Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Try some reading to expand your ideas on Genocide Progressivism, Nazi's and Marxists all thinking alike.

    Classical Liberalism: Progressive Era Eugenics
    http://traditionalliberalism.blogspot.com/2011/10/progressive-era-eugenics.html
    Oct 13, 2011 · If you would like to learn more about the progressive eugenics ... of progressive and Nazi views on eugenics, ... socialism, nazism, progressive ...
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~​


    Karl Marx Quotes You Have Not Heard Before | Dawkinswatch
    http://dawkinswatch.wordpress.com/2009/05/18/karl-marx-quotes-you-have-not-heard-before/
    May 18, 2009 · Karl Marx Quotes quotes calling for Genocide of Races We have been studying the ... Nazism and Marxism? ... and the Eugenics movement can be blamed ...
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~​


    An evolutionary perspective of human aggression and ...
    www.neoeugenics.net/past.htm
    Eugenics. Genophilia vs genocide home page: ... Western progressive thought, ... But of course it is Marxist again ...
     
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    Communist theory linked both Stalin and Pol Pot!

    I do agree that "underconsumptionism" has a basis in reality..... but a massive bureaucracy is a terrible way to set an alternative.
     
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    The answer to the question posed by the thread title, assuming 'denial' refers specifically to Holocaust denial, was offered by Professor Deborah Lipstadt sometime in the early 1990s when she said, "the real purpose of Holocaust revisionism is to make National Socialism an acceptable political alternative again".

    Seeing that on a TV documentary prompted the neo-nazi Harold Covington, former head of the NSWPP, to write,

    It's all (^)(^)(^)(^), of course, because evidence in favour the generally agreed-upon Holocaust narrative is massive, but deniers hope to create doubt by making an internet show of nibbling away at the very edges of Holocaust history as its understood by thousands of academic historians. All this, without ever proposing a plausible, internally-consistent, alternative explanation of events that takes all the existing evidence into consideration.

    Deniers believe that if, somehow. the Nazi regime can seem to be at least partially exonerated of the crimes for which it's been convicted, then disenfranchisement or deportation of minorities they find troubling in the here and now might become a possibility.

    That's why it exists. And for no other reason.
     
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    I don't hear anyone denying those, do you?
     

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