Cliven Bundy's "ancestral rights" to the grazing land dates all the way back to...

And this says it best. This shouldn't even be a partisan issue, however so many of you have decided that you would rather have the media and government tell you what to think then to do it for yourself. Yes Bundy is wrong but the BLM and Reid are behaving even worse. Two wrongs do not make a right.

 

As I have pointed out before, the BLM may have had the high ground at one time. But they gave up the high ground when they took an armed force against a peaceful family. They further gave it up when they violated the very court orders that they claimed that they were enforcing. Those court orders allowed them to seize and impound the trespassing livestock. The court's order was clear. Seizing and impounding the cattle did not transfer ownership of the cattle to the BLOM. Yet, the BLM first attempted to sell the cattle. Now, in any world other then a Liberal Government's fantasy world, the seizing and selling cattle that does not belong to you is called rustling. This is why no auction house would touch them. So, the BLM slaughtered the cattle, and buried them is a mass grave.

To make matters worse, they did this while posting lies about the situation. I am sure you have heard the one where they claim that Bundy owes more then $1 Million. Well, if you take the time to look up what the Alum that the BLM charges for each year from 1993 to 2013. Then take those numbers and multiply them by 12, and then by the number of cattle that Bundy had each year. The result would be the actual amount that he supposedly owed. If you assume that the number of cattle did not change over that period of time, and that none of them are calves, then you get a total of $417,528.00. Less then half what the BLM has claimed.

So, it does not matter whether his claim of the ranch predating the Federal Grazing laws or not. When the BLM started slaughtering cattle, they exceeded their authority. At that point they became the legal violators, and Bundy became the victim.

 

"ancestral rights"....what a foolish phrase.

 

And nothing stopping my forefathers either... So no matter I have never been to that state. I should be free to find any federal and and setup a cattle ranch on it and claim that since it was possible than some ancient ancestor could have been there once in the 1800's, I have rights to graze my cattle on land that doesn't belong to me... is that your argument?

 

Can we really trust CBS? Hell, can we really trust any news? If it doesn't result in confirmation bias, I'm not interested.

 

To my knowledge, the Department of Interior does not have the authority to issue liens for back or unpaid grazing fees. If they did, then the action that the BLM was taking was to seize such land on payment for said lien and that would make your post look even more desperate.

 

Peaceful? Hah. You do realize that the guy threatened a range war with the Feds if the Feds forcible remove the cattle from federal lands.

 

Clive Bundy is making the rightwing nuts look dumber everyday. This story just keeps adding to the stupidity, hell it is soap opera, with a mix of the WWE thrown in. Bundy needs to get off the land.

 

What part of compound interest don't you understand?

 

Yes, peaceful! People make threats all the time, but no one on the Bundy Ranch pointed a gun at Federal Agents until those agents had snipers targeting the family. This situation has gone on for more then two decades, but Bundy has not done anything more harsh then tear up a court order that had been placed on his dash board. The fact that the court order was delivered in that manner shows that the BLM was in fact harassing the family. So yes, peaceful.

BTW, I noticed that you ignored the fact that the Federal Agents violated the very court orders that they claimed to be enforcing, and the lies that they have been making. Does that mean that you believe that the Federal Government is justified in breaking the laws as long as Democrats are in charge? Which side would you be on if this had happened during the Bush Administration?

 

"Compound interest"? lol. Now the Federal Government is using loan shark rates. "Sorry Mr. Bundy. You owe $417,528 on the vig, and another, and $682,472 in interest. Pay by Saturday, or we will steal your cattle, and kill your whole family. Are you claiming that this country is being run by the mob?

 

Dude, he owes for sixty years of not paying. Interest is probably about 4 percent annually.

 

What part of excessive force don't you understand?

 

First time I've heard anyone claim he owes 60 years of payments.
Can you source that claim?

 

Clive Bundy's ancestral rights! That's a good one. What he meant to say was, his ancestral rights that he thinks are his after his ancestors stole the ancestral rights of the Paiute Indians who lived there before his ancestors. Lol! What a joke.

 

Read all the way through the stories posted, and you'll have your questions answered.

There is no reason anyone should have to become your little researcher !

 

Your source for this lie? The BLM has claimed that he stopped paying his grazing Alum in 1993. That is not 60 years.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/nevada-rancher-cliven-bundy-the-citizens-of-america-got-my-cattle-back/

 

Well, what's a little creative "fact finding" when standing up for the rights of the authoritarian police state to collect debts owed like
a Mafia loan shark? I believe the ends justify the means in this case (to progressive apologists, that is).

 

I'm not the one who made the claim. If one makes a claim ,one should be prepared to back it up.
Why should anyone do the foot work for CourtJester?
Either he/she can source it or they cannot.

 

Explain, Bill Clinton, the exact difference between a "lie" and "a semantics standpoint"?

 

I have reread every post on this thread, and CourtJester was the first poster to make the 60 year claim. I asked the poster to provide a source of that claim. I even posted a source that supports the fact that the dispute started in 1993. That disproves the 60 years claim, and still leaves the question why the BLM lied about the amount owed. Now, do you actually have anything constructive to add to the topic?

 

Semantics standpoint: "Several years ago" sounds like "a long time ago," not three measly years.

Lie: Calling someone a liar because of the sudden realization that their ancestral rights began in 1948, "several years after World War II ended" in 1945, is a blatant exaggeration on your part.



EXAGGERATE transitive verb 1 : to enlarge beyond bounds or the truth

 

http://www.8newsnow.com/story/25302186/an-abbreviated-look-at-rancher-cliven-bundys-family-history

"Bundy repeated a similar claim Thursday when he told TheBlaze website: “My family has preemptive, adjudicated livestock water rights filed with the state of Nevada. They were established in 1877 when the first pioneers entered the valley. Among those first pioneers were my grandparents from my mother’s side. My father either bought or inherited his Nevada state livestock water rights and I, in turn, have done the same.”


Here is direct qoute from Bundy on his claims to the land. He simply lied. I think for those of you that are defending this man. Take a moment a realize you were duped yet again and move on. The man and his cattle have no rights to the land. He has not paid in 20 years. he had his due process in court he lost. Now is the time for him to pay up and move on. He need to stop threatening the Government with "Range War' and using woman and children as human shields. Clearly the man is insane.

 

So Cliven DIDN'T KNOW that his "ancestral rights" only began in 1948....when he was claiming they went back to 1877? He was ignorant?

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He's a rigthwing "hero" now....they'll never admit that he lied, nor that they were duped into supporting him, even though both the law and the TRUTH go against him.

 

What is even worse than Bundy's ignornace. Is the people that defend this deadbeat when facts show the guy had no claim to the land. Wow they have been fed so much conspiracy by the Republicans and Fox they clearly have no grasp for what the truth is. I am willing to bet Fox does not report this latest news on the deadbeat Bundy and his lack of memory.