Florida Business decides to pay "living wage" ahead of any Min Wage updates

So now instead of "living wage" it is "working wage"?

 

they felt their ability was worth a living wage...

 

It should be a wage set by the free market of supply and demand.

If bleeding heart libs would allow conservatives to deport illegal aliens the supply of workers would decline and wages would go up naturally without anti free market price controls.

 

So you're saying that it's better for government to force things than for businesses to do this for their own reasons?

 

Why should there be a minimum wage that allows an individual to make the lowest cost of living? A high school kid doesn't need to make the lowest COL in the area. A married person working a second job for the family doesn't need to make the COL in the area. My first jobs paid minimum wage and I had no expectation I could live alone and raise a family on it, I had roommates to share expenses.

 

agreed, if you find yourself working min wage trying to raise a family.... you have made some poor life choices that are not my responsibility to supplement.

 

Because I said so (and not everybody who makes MW is a high school kid.)

 

And that is who the minimum wage is aimed at. And the average person who gets a job at minimum wage only stays there about 6 months. Why should anyone expect to be able to raise a family and live a middle class lifestyle on minimum wage pushing a broom or filling a fryer basket with frozen french fries and hitting a button?

 

and whose fault is it if you are making min wage and trying to raise a family on it.... your failure to plan (your future) does not constitute an emergency on my part.

 

How do you plan for your job being shipped overseas ten years before your retirement after 20 years of work in a town where there are not many jobs?

 

Because I say so and you are being mean to your neighbors who have suffered greatly because of your addiction to low cost electronics

 

savings accounts and mobility - which is what I did after 11 years and a job loss in an area with not much available to me.

 

No question about it. What % of business is going to provide a decent wage of their own accord?

 

Plan ahead and always be networking and exploring possibilities. Lost mine of 25 years during the 2009 recession, got a better one. Back in the early 70's moved 1000 miles to Chicago. Then in the late 70's to Louisiana. Then in the 80's back to Alabama. You can't sit around and mope about it and think someone is going to dump one in your lap.

 

Why don't they all just pay minimum wage then?

 

I have said it other threads about this subject.... I'll repeat here.


It's like many issues where the answer isn't exactly black or exactly white, but rather, some shade of grey



No unions = working employeess for 18 hours shifts, no benefits, child exploitation
Too much unions = Detroit


No min wage laws.... collusion by all the fast food to only pay $5 hour
min wage laws too high..... laid off min wage employees


the tirck is finding that shade of gray. I don't think forcing 10$ with the goal of 15$ is a medium

 

Wasn't it McDonald's that was teaching its employees to draw welfare in lieu of paying them more? At that point McDonald's starts costing this bleeding heart liberal hard cash.

 

Ok where are all the unemployed factory workers going to move to exactly?

 

Who said you can.

I said this is preferred to government force.

 

Nah, that was a concerted effort on the part of Republican Reagan-types to bust up unions by discrediting American manufacturing. They did a fabulous job.

I think it is if you don't believe ownership should be making 1000x per hour what the flippers are making.

 

do you really believe that all employers are either the govt or huge corporations?

 

that is the sad reality. For some reason, many of us feel that we are entitled to remain in the same community and to retain a job. If staying where you put down roots is important, then you must remain marketable for that region. Do you really think that Oldsmobile employees couldn't see that their target customers were all dying and that sales were dropping, never to recover? They were only fooling themselves to think that "things will get better"

Let's consider fairly newer technology. How many "computer operators" do you know? I mean the folks who sit in the data center and load tapes, run print jobs for everyone, perform backups etc?

How many Novell Netware engineers do you know? How about Banyan Vines?

How many people do you know are installing token ring networks, how about FDDI?

Do you get your printer repaired or toss it if it breaks and get a new one? What kind of water supply connection do you have to your toilet(s)? Is it braided stainless or a hose or is it a copper pipe with soldered connectors? Yes, it wasn't that long ago that you had to sweat on connectors just to connect a toilet vs screwing in a hose. So you needed a plumber for more things than you do today. When is the last time you went to Fotomat to develop your film? What happened to all of those Fotomat girls who worked in those booths? What about the movie projector operator and concession workers at the drive in movie? Where are they?

The demand for skills always changes and it's up to the individual to change with the times. It's not easy and nobody said it was.

 

Someone with a high school diploma, years of blue collar work, and a mortgage to pay isn't going to be able to just pack up and go, especially when 5,999 other people in the same city is in the same boat. People just are not going to hire someone 55 with no skills from across the country. The positions will be filled before they could ever even hear about it. The sad reality is that we can support them on welfare; or they can support themselves on MW or thereabouts if they are lucky until they get close enough to start drawing SS early.

 

blue collar doesn't always mean unskilled. The oil industry can't get enough people in the Dakotas. Consider the people who used to build furniture in High Point NC. That used to be the furniture capital of the USA. But, people wanted to change their style more frequently so prices had to drop. That meant a more mass production environment, use of lower quality materials and less people needed as automation was introduced to lower direct costs.

Now, we see Ikea stores packed and the same people who lament about the loss of jobs for unskilled laborers also gobble up the cheap stuff at Ikea.

Right now, it's the unskilled laborers who are suffering and yes, it was due to life choices and that includes getting Betty Sue pregnant at 16. In the near future, after Obamacare is seen as a complete failure, the govt will move to single payer and you will see the decimation of the private health insurance industry with a flood of skilled people out of work.

 

Well, since I own a small business, obviously not. What's yer point?