NAKBA DAY; Thousands commemorate the Nakba.

Your mantra is straight out of the Hasbara handbook and does not reflect the perspectives of the vast majority of Jewish people.

 

Interesting that you justify the firing of rockets into Israel. They are terror weapons, designed to scare the civilian population.
Those rockets are NOT the reason for the $3B a year in military aid to Israel. But they have created a most appropriate test environment for testing Iron Dome. Once again, the palestinians are providing the rationale for Israeli military advancement. They just can't help themselves it seems or else they are simply too full of hatred to realize that there are unintended outcomes to their strategy.

No, its not a massive programme of victimhood. Its a natural response to such an attack. Yes its a causus belli in everyone's book it seems except the palestinians who are not shooting rockets into Israel as a show of defiance, so much as they are demonstrating their stupidity. Einstein's definition of insanity often comes to mind when these idiots fire their rockets.

And guess what? There is nothing synthetic about the creation of Israel, much to your frustration and chagrin it seems.

And There are lots of racists and jew haters in palestine as there are in other parts of the world. That is simply a fact.

It must be frustrating to watch the palestinians get outmaneouvered at every turn. Stymied by "facts on the ground", incompetent leadership, political fractious internal environment, widespread corruption,and a strategy of resistence that has consistently failed to achieve of anything of import other than blood and misery for the palestinian people.

What does bat-poo flavoured ice cream taste like?

 

After having read the above 'analysis', anybody who might of just landed on planet earth might be under the false impression that it's the Israeli's, as opposed to Palestinian's, who are the ones under belligerent occupation and subject to illegal invasion.

 

Not so to both posts. The detailed testing of an often-quoted period in recent history is used as a test of exactly those sorts of claims, and can be found here:
http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=355233&page=6&p=1063903375#post1063903375
Please join the discussion. The facts need to be verifiable, and they flow like water. Subjective creeds and nationalistic mantras tend to get buried.

JOIN THE TEST

 

Trout;

Stringing daft premises together makes a daisy-chain of daft premises.

Jonsa;

Like neoZionist occupation- it's illegal.

 

No, merely stating FACTS. I do not nor have ever denied that the palestinians are under belligerent occupation. They are not however been subjected to an "illegal invasion".

Maybe you can actually debate the points made, in my response to the nonsense that moon posted?

Do you think that the palestinians have not been outmaneouvered at just about every turn?

 

Nobody cares about the proxies in that area. The big boys - now freed up by the withdrawal of the US - are squaring off for real war. Arab sideshows are no longer amusing.

 

Crap.

We can begin with UNGAR 181- which designated certain territories to be Palestinian.
We can point out that the Zionist invaders- for that's what they were- ethnically cleansed Palestinians - illegally- and set up their shop across ethnically-cleansed Palestine- illegally. Territory cannot be gained by means of war and all of Israel's annexations are illegal. A court ruling is not required to determine that. Israel's actions are contrary to its UN Charter responsibilities and customary law. The Israelis have violated the principles of erga omnes as a matter of habit. Within those illegal actions Israel has also violated humanitarian law as a matter of habit. Israel has ignored the Security Council Resolution 242 requirement that it withdraws from Palestine and has instead further violated the laws it was obliged to adhere to in regard of its responsibilities as an occupier- further emphasising the illegality of its actions- without even bothering to emphasise that Israel has been engaged in war crimes against those that the Geneva Conventions demands that it protects
And there you are, claiming that the occupation is not illegal - because you want a specific judgment which would be overkill insofar as related legislation determines the illegality of all occupations. That level of simplemindedness is a dangerous failing.

In terms of specific judgments the ' self-defence ' claim of the occupiers has already been struck down by the ICJ- so that fig-leaf is no longer available to neoZionist fascists and their repugnant support.
Palestine was recognised as a State on the pre-1967 borders by the General Assembly in November, 2012, and now enjoys all the privileges of a non-member observer State- one of which is not to have the neoZionist jackboot on its neck. Legal occupation ? What a crazy notion. We didn't fight WW2 in order to have a new generation of fascists ignore human rights and international law in order to promote its own cult of victimhood at the expense of a new set of victims.

Zionists- go home. And take Yanqui with you.

 

and yet Hamas ignores international law every day.

 

Ah, deflection and thread-blocking. I call it trolling- and that's how I've reported it.

 

Hasbara Hasbara Hasbara lmao

 

Accuser, prosecuter, judge and jury.
There is no illegality in international law to invasion or occupation WHATSOEVER.

As to war crimes, the palestinians are equally guilty of war crimes. Every rocket that lands in Israel is a war crime by the geneva conventions. Every palestinian fighter that uses a civilian facility (like a hospital, mosque or school) to stash weapons or fight from is committing a war crime. Every palestinian fighter who does not wear clear insignia is committing a war crime, Every palestinian fighter who uses red crescent ambulances to move around in is committing a war crime. Every palestinian fighter who uses civilians as human shields is committing a war crime.

The fact is that there has never been a shooting war where war crimes have not been committed.

67/19 is an interesting document.

It does not in anyway claim the occupation is "illegal".

It affirms its determination to peace and a two state solution on the basis of pre 67 borders that werent actually borders.
It also affirms a contiguous palestine, which is currently impossible based on the pre 67 borders.

It is a decent token step forward, but considering it was affirm palestine as an observer nation, it didn't mention that there is not government of all of palestine. It completely ignores the fractious nature of governance of palestine dealing solely with the PA. So, half of the nation is not represented. Rather an odd thing for an observer status nation, wot?

It also does not call the current occuapation illegal.

Perhaps you need to re-read the document.
http://unispal.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/0/19862D03C564FA2C85257ACB004EE69B

Go home? I presume you mean pre 67 borders. Or do you mean abandon the state of Israel?

 

Again already, there is no requirement to term ' illegal ' what is already accepted as illegal. There's no charge of ' illegal murder ' as far as I'm aware.

What Zionism's buffers want is a ' temporary occupation allowed by the necessities of war ' to be permanent. They want a ' permanent temporary occupation' --- a nonsense contradiction in terms. Occupation can never ne permanent and it can never be indefinite. Accept it. Zionists, go home. And take Yanqui with you.

 

So occupation is illegal. Just as there is no legal murder so there is no legal occupation.
A murder charge may be contested on the grounds of self-defence.
An occupation may be contested on the grounds of self-defense.
In the case of the illegal Israeli occupation the circumstances allowing that plea no longer exist.
As a result the Israeli plea of self-defense has been struck down by the International Court of Justice.

Claims of a legal Israeli occupation are bullpoo.

 

I already asked you several times how the occupation is illegal. You made that claim, I asked you to prove it, you refused and called me a troll for asking you, and couldn't prove your point.

 

Linkie , please. Sounds like hot air and invention to me.

Anybody else fancy making a case for ' legal occupation of someone else's country ' ?

 

No linkie ? OK, I'll assume you've made an error of judgment.

 

Yet again you ask for a link, when it was I who asked you for a link. If you think Israel being in the West Bank is illegal it is YOU who should prove it is illegal. Not me. I have asked you several times now, but you fail to prove Israel's illegality. Without you providing a credible link to prove Israel should not be in the WB you know Israel is fully entitled to be there.

 

#158- #163- #164. First- read the threads. Then speak.

 

yeah, the Geneva Conventions make the case.

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the Geneva Conventions say you're wrong.

and btw, Palestine is now a signatory of the 4th Geneva Conventions.

 

Not at all. The Geneva Conventions do not endorse occupation in any form. The GCs set out a code of behaviour in what is otherwise an illegal activity.

That's simply not the case and you provide yet another example of an attempt to create ' a permanent temporary occupation '. There's no such animal and the GCs prove you wrong.

Yes, Palestine is signatory to the GCs- a further recognition of its accepted Statehood on the pre-1967 borders.

 

The 4th GC is valid throughout the duration of the occupation. There is no time limit.

 

Resolution 242 instructed the occupation to end in 1967.

The GCs are concerned with behaviour of occupation forces- an area wherein Zionism has comprehensively failed .

Territory can never be gained by means of war. The occupation is illegal. No occupation is permanent. There are no ' permanent temporary ' occupations. Occupations breach the universally-accepted customary law of erga omnes. Occupations are all illegal, not just the scurrilous neoZionist variety.

 

territory is only "gained", once it has been annexed.

taking over land and occupying it after being attacked by another nation, is an extremely common occurance of warfare.

yes, Israel's annexation of east jerusalem is illegal, but the occupation of the rest of the west bank is not.

 

That's true for the accepted meaning of annexation but also true of the Zionist method of illegally transferring populations and replacing the sovereign administration. This de facto annexation is illegal. Again, you attempt to legitimise ' permanent temporary ' occupation. There's no such state. The occupation is illegal.

Occupation can never be permanent nor indefinite.

You're halfway there.