Russian Murderers halt gas supply to Ukrainian victims

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-27862849

Not content with committing terror in Ukraine, the Russians now want to murder all Ukrainians by freezing them to death.

We need to stop the Europeans from energy trading with the Ruskies, to punish Putin.

 

No payment for gas- no gas. There is already a huge debt of Ukraine to Russia for gas. If Ukraine wants cheap prices for gas- no problem- join Eurasia Union. If want to join EU- no problem- but then the prices would be also European.

 

More to the point: Russia sent a message to all of Europe.

Like they say in Game of Thrones: Winter is coming.

 

I've got news for you. It's not the Russian's who are committing terror in Ukraine.

 

I think paying less than half of what is owed is already a compromise.

 

The thieves of Crimea are whining that they are not getting paid...LOL Oh the irony... When dealing with Russia, do as the Russians do. LOL

 

Hmmm! I wonder why they shut off the gas? ::

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He knows that, it's simply a 'Goebbels' ruse.

 

If Obama keeps it up, it will be more of a nuclear winter. So much for the man of peace... but look, I could have told you that.

 

Mostly pro-Russian thugs and criminals in Ukraine indeed. Russia having always being a supporter of every rogue state on the planet has finally officially joined the exclusive club of state sponsors of terrorism.

 

Newsflash, the man of peace and Christian values, Vladimir Putin invaded a neighboring country and stole (annexed) its land. Duh.

 

That should be agreed by both sides.

 

(laughs) If Americans feel sorry for Ukrainians - pay for them. Show American kindness. Or Americans good the expense of others? However, as usual.

 

(laughs) My Jewish friend. At least not for you to judge Putin. Let's remember the "Babylonian Talmud" - the most revered Talmud at Jews. Eg. "Houses goyim (non-Jews) - House animal" [Leb. to bf. 46, 1]. The Talmud says: "The words of the Bible: God has no anger" (Isaiah XXVII, 4) applies only to the Jews, and the words: "God is angry" (Deut. II, I) belong to other peoples living on earth "[Abobas, f, 14, 1]. "As far as other people are superior to other animals, so are Jews above over all the nations of the world." (Tseror Gammor, 101, 2) "The woman is not Jewish, is an animal" - preaches Rabbi Abarbanel [Matk. hour input. tawo]. "Children are not Jewish can not be equated even illegal children or idiots of Jewish origin" (Eben gazhetser, § 26, 1, § 16, I, § 1, 1, 3, 6 and 7, Møre Tower, § 269, 1 Tr . Iebamot 22).
Goebbels resting. Is not it?

 

Anyone can have an opinion but, is it informed ?

 

When Crimea was annexed Ukraine had not already paid for several months for the gas.

 

- As far as i know 4.5 billions USD is debt of Ukraine to Russia for gas.
- Purposed price was 385 USD
- Here is prices for EU countries

 

Taxcutter says:
Put down the crack pipe. All Hussein Obama knows how to do is kowtow.

 

Well I would say again: let's send a message back:

Windfarming, reducing energy, solar, and an anulation for russian gas, simple as that.

I am still waiting for an energy crash program what will invest billions of Euros into windfarming all over Europe instead of whining - Russia wants to blackmale us? OK, we should turn that against those who want that.

Anyway the reserves in Germany are more than full. It is high summer. All is relaxed. I would not buy gas from Putins Russia. A strong message back is what I am waiting for.

Let's invest in reasonable energy policy! I wanna have buisiness!

You cannot boycott or stop the wind! Putin cannot do that - he is not god.

The best WE could do here is to have such an efficiant solution in windfarming, that Russia will ask US one day to deliver energy. Putin is convinced it wont work, ok: let us proof him beeing completely wrong by facts. That is peaceful, to Putins Russia pretty ennoying and makes us strong!

Creative answers insteat of war games!


Here, sorry to say...here Germany rules.

 

Taxcutter says:
You've overcome the intermittent and high maintenance nature of wind power?

 

It is an ambitious task. I wouldn't mind if german genius invents some good and reliable and cheap batteries which will be able to charge when the wind blows and provide the energy when it doesn't. That is the main problem with Wind energy. But now that is the talk which is worthy of a respect. Finding a solution to use the wind energy or solar energy for energy purposes is really good. Not only for Germany. It would be good for Russia as well. Because transportation of fuel inside hige Russia is quite expensive. We would benefit of a mobile energy stations that are able to aupply a house or a factory with energy. It makes sense for a serious siberian colonization,which is underpopulated just for the reason of exensive city infrastructure and all the conviniences which are quite cheap for the european countries.

Anyway the synthesis and use of gas and (more often presently) oil is going to stay a profitable business anyway. But we will save this way more natural resources.

Such an ambitious plan requires strong economy, which is impossible without cheap resources here and now. If Germany refuses of cheap gas for a political reason before having such a technology - it would be just a stupidity. Russia will recover by selling its gas to China and getting more use of it by itself. Since lits of european factories go bankrupt and employees would lose their jobs - Russia will be able to welcome them on its own territory. Since Russia is underdeveloped comparing even to present Europe - this would better Russian standards of living and Russia's economy. At the same time Europe would play a survival game in order to invent and to implement such a technology alone. If it does - it survives and makes the living acording to the results of the technology. If not - Europe degrades to a level of african states. Without energy all the factories will have to move off Europe and R&D departments would follow the industry. So EU would find itself in the same tough conditions as US that more and more fails to return the industry back into country.

Germany really made a reserve for itself making a north stream gas pipeline. The necessity to abandon all the anti-russian gas import rules will happen even in Germany in March. And southern Europe will have to save itself. Political debates with growing instability would threaten the existence of EU. Choosing between survival and death countries like Bulgaria and Serbia wouldn't be able to choose death till the end. Because even the wind energy-technology is found yesterday - today it needs to be tested and tomorrow it will be implemented in Germany. The best these countries can hope for is getting the technology the day after tomorrow, but they lack for gas already now! So even if EU bribes a few politicians which would slaughter their own people for a good picture on the news - there would be a revolt... Basically all the people want to live.

So you are welcome with creative answers, but try checking if the liberal values of free trade and obeying the law (contract) still matter.

 

double posting. sry

 

A contract goes both ways. If Russia sends gas and it does not arrive here, the contract was not served the right way. So why should anybody by that keep the duties of such contract?

Also: Blackmaling was not on the list. If Russia does use it's gas to blackmale our neighbors and thinks we will let Russia away with that, Russia might be mistaken.

Unlike others, I do not like to make business with a fascist agenda. It does not mean not to make business with Russia. Wonderful, excellent. It does not mean I am antirussian. I am anti-fascist! So remove Putin, give back Crimea to Ukraine, become a democratic society, find agreements with the fact that Ukraine will be part of the west, make Russia beeing a Nato Member later on and all is fine...

I want to see Putin, when we will have solved the problem and anulate all contracts - no EU money anymore. Wellcome to poverty.



How to do that?

1. The solution will not happen in a way that Germany is the only EU country what is counting on windfarming.

If you do windfarmin all over Europe and you do invest into a net all over the continent, you can send energy from Germany to Spain when there is no wind in Spain and from Spain to Germany when wind blows in Spain but not in Germany.

2.

Wind energy can be used a different way than you see that today:

to split water into hydrogen and oxygen. You can store the hydrogen in order to use it later. This is currently being tested with much success at the Fraunhofer Institute in Germany. It will be the longterm answer. We will produce our own gas from water.

3.

Wind and solar energy can be used to desalinate seawater. Desalination is very energy-intensive. Very intresting technology to Spain and Greec islands. You by the way to not need any net for that. It works when the wind is blowing and you simply stock the water. The companie I am employed is doing exactly that next future.

4.
We just have to save a lot of energy.


Germany does have the courage to do these steps, it has the political power in the EU to encourage its neighbors to fellow and it has also by far the technical potential and the strong will to do it.

In history german ingenuity has surprised the world again and again.

I do think when such systems do get patents and will be established all over Europe, Putin might recognize...that he lost the match.

I do support a free market. I refuse blackmaling policy and also the answer to such policy by using violence. I am in favor of smart innovative and capitalistic oriented creative high tech answers.

I am deeply convinced the danish, the germans, the swiss, the dutch will give you that answer and those who doubt will wonder and....PAY.

Gas as oil are ending- Wind is never ending - same about sun. Wind and sun wont send any bills. They cannot be stopped.

It is not up to give Putin a german lesson. It is up to us to do our homeworks. We will do it whatever others will say. And we will suceed.


P.S. your worries about our industry are senseless.

Germany is doing better than ever before. Check the numbers...my country is far from beeing in trouble. Unlike others....dispite all our windfarming...or better also BECAUSE of it.

 

Germany is certainly not the only country involved in this. Scotland is

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-20140313

http://www.scottishrenewables.com/events/scottish-green-energy-awards-2014/

http://www.segec.org.uk/


We have plans to export to Europe. Is Norway not also doing this?

 

The maintenance of windpower is almost nothing tax. And in the end: for taking away a windmill, it is less expensive than the material will be sold on the market.

 

Scotland has the most strong winds in Europe.

Excellent performance.

But the problem in Scotland are people who think windfarming will destroy nature (birds, landscape ect). That is hysterical, but very strongly the case in Scotland. But you are right:

The more countries will go that way, the more we do have competition and better quality. Danish and germans are right now number one in quality.

Britain is wellcomed to try "to beat" us! I would like that idea. That would increase the business. And serve for the better.

You have to differ ON and Offshore Alexis.

You mainly have OFFshore. Best winds, but a complete different technic in maintenance and NOW the most expensive model in windfarming. The investment costs are extrimily high.

That does cause only super big companies will be able to invest. That has the negative imput, that you create monopols anbd that will cause high prises - not ebnough competition from smaller sized companies. Also banks will only invest into Offshore that way and that is causing a non balanced market in the end...do you have Onshore projects around you?

That by ow China is doing...less gas, more windfarming...

http://img.welt.de/img/kommentare/c...10621-Windpark-China-DW-Berlin-Dabancheng.jpg

Also China will get rid of russian gas one day...but Putin is thinking windfarming "is gay"....my god..what a fool.

BTW: that park lay out in China you see on the photo is to me a desaster! I would never ever do it that way...

That must be regulated by law: less subsidies for OFF shore, more for ONshore so that in the end we do have a balance between them.

You see my dear...it is also a question of law. I do propose laws in that issue right now..in german by the way: the language in windfarming is ...mainly german....in a comission. I must run ^^