Russian Murderers halt gas supply to Ukrainian victims

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  1. alexa

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    Didn't know about that. They just prefer a more natural view. I hadn't heard though that had put much off. I think you may be confusing Scotland with England.
    Not necessarily Britain if Scotland goes for Independence. Last I heard Scotland was ahead of Schedule so yes you may have some competition as like you say we are in one of the best positions.

    In any case it will help with the issue of Russian Gas. OK here is the post on Europe's hopes of getting out of it's need for Russian Gas

    http://euobserver.com/news/124414
     
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    Doesn't Russia have pipelines running through the Ukraine going to Europe? If so, the Ukraine should shut every one of them down, no more goods going throu the Ukraine for sale eleswhere, the rest of Europe should do the same, stop trading with Russia and watch their economy tank, kinda hard to fight wars when you are broke.
     
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    Its not winter in the Ukraine.. so who is "freezing"?

    Remember you have to pay your bills including your gas bill.
     
  4. Yazverg

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    Yes. but it depends on the responsibility. Russia provides gas. The way it provides gas is reflected in North Stream project. Which is a project without any transit countries. Germany has already benefited from its increased capacity. Once Germany had a chance to weaken RUssia's perspectives in EU energy market it weakened with energy european laws. 50% of North Stream capacity were hardly used just because of political charges (long before the lies about Crimean occupation or even raped Germany started to spread). Russia was fine with it. Now it turns out that Russia was right and we are not even hoping for a gratitude. :)

    The responsibility of future gas collapse in EU is not Russia. It is US and its puppets in Ukraine who are going to steal the gas that was purchased by european customers.

    Of course it can. But there is no blackmail. Russia changed the payment scheme. It has already delivered to the Ukraine the gas which was used for free. But it it Ukraine which wants the price that is lower than for some of Russian customers... Russia just changed the payment basis, which is according to the contract. Russia works only on prepayment with the Ukraine. If they need any gas - they pay. After they pay - they get it. You call it a blackmail? Go to any supermarket and try to take anything without paying for free just because you think that the price should be twice lower... Once you get out of jail - reply about the results, please. :)

    This is exactly a mixture of policy and free trade. If Russia demanded of Germany to recover its gold treasury, release all the nations like Greece from the EU after having refunded them their losses comparing to the year of admission, pay back the infrastucture costs of the Red Army which were used by NATO and get out of NATO alliance before getting russian resources - you wouldn't be happy with such a partnership, would you? :)
    So, try to be anti-fascist and not to pretend being it.

    Look. He has already foreseen it.

    [video=youtube;KlE4cQa_kF8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlE4cQa_kF8[/video]

    Chinese money are not worse.

    Do you have a warranty that on a hot summer day when millions of air conditioners demand a huge amount of energy the wind will blow in the required quantities? I mean you believe so, but can you prove that the winds which blow over europe is enough in any case? Besides, you should remember that elecricity is not teleporting from Spain to Germany that easy. It costs... How are you going to bill factories which are planning their activities? I mean they are calculating the budget, thinking that the price for electricity is fixed. But as long as there is no wind in the nearby windfarm they have to buy the same amount of electricity for a twice more expensive price... So? How about it? Is this result worthy of showing middle finger to Putin and telling "HA-HA" watching at grateful chinese smiles, who get a clean and cheap energy?

    That is interesting idea. I think that it can also be used for water purification stations in Africa. But it is a long term project. Unfortunately EU depends on Ukraine already this winter.

    Yeah. We had a similar project about nuclear power plant. Desalination is energy consuming. Basically if you put a nuclear vessel equipped with water desalination equipment instead of arms you get the same result. First it purifies the energy for Spain then it goes to Africa, then to Asia. It is even more flexible then wind and solar power, but... this project existed in 70s and is still not made.

    EU is already way ahead in energy saving technologies. But you need something to start to save from.

    You do have it because you have enough of russian gas right now. The others don't have it... Right now. Do you think that these others will really get you right if Germany suggests something of a kind? I mean if I had a 10 L barrel of water in a desert leading a group of 50 people who had 0.5L can... If I suggest that from now on we take only 5% of what we have every day just to make the guy who owns the oasis nearby to go bankrupt... :) I think this will be the last supposition of Germany inside the structure of EU.

    That's true. But not only that was the most german suprise to the world. There was something else as well.

    If\when then... Fine. Once it happens and EU scores a goal Putin might think of a step from his side. For now there is no such a possibility. THe only real choice for EU is buying american or canadian gas for a considerably higher price.

    Then you have my support. :)

    Everything ends. The life also ends. And deaths are never ending. But people prefer to live still. :) Russian gas is enough for 100 years. This is exactly the time that we need to transfer to new and convinient technologies that give everyone a constant and reliable anergy flow. If this is only possible from this:
    [​IMG]
    Then people would rather do it than living with inconvinient or even a twice more expensive energy... I am sure that if you had a choice to put all the russians into such bunkers (of course not the good ones - only those who voted for evil Putin) you would already feel that this wonderfull capitalistic innovation already won. :)

    German success is determined not only by their technologies and high skilled labour but because of:
    1) cheap resources (primarily energy resources)
    2) markets of newcoming EU countries.

    If Germany loses\refuses of cheap resources and loses the ambitions inside the EU or is attacked of trade wars and all these Magnitsky acts following Jackson-Vanicks ammendments 50% as strong as Russia is then no windfarming will save german economy. And the higher it is now the more difficult it will be.
     
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    For sure. Here in video on first seconds you can see orange VAZ 2101. It is personal car of Putin.
    [video=youtube;8bLoH8bfgVc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bLoH8bfgVc[/video]
     
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    Taxcutter says:
    Maintenance cost is the reason so many wind turbines are idle.

    A wind turbine has a constant speed governor in it to adjust the pitch of the propellors. In aircraft, these things have to be rebuilt every 100 hours.
    For propellors this large all the components of the governor are perforce large. They have to be hoisted a hundred meters or so up and down.

    Just to get someone to work on a wind turbine, you have to find a daredevil. Like construction ironworkers, they command nearly double the wages of a regular mechanics and tend to be prima donnas. They don't work in windy or wet conditions. Like ironworkers, nobody begrudges them being prima donnas, but the machine is still down until they work on it.

    Wind turbines in primo locations like Altamont Pass, San Gorgonio Pass and the big island of Hawai'i are full of dead wind turbines. Despite the fact that retail electricity in southern California and Hawai'i are astronomical and fuel costs zero, it is uneconomical to operate wind turbines. that's how daunting maintenance costs for these things are.

    I've often wondered why wind turbines have to be horizontal shaft machines. If they were vertical, you could put all the high-maintenance equipment on the ground and it would be easier to maintain. The super high speed (275 KPH routinely) wind turbine at Mt. Washington is a vertical axis machine, and it seems to be fairly reliable.
     
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    What turbines do you use? Enercon?

    I guess not. It depends very much to use the right turbine for the right place.

    If you do have strong winds at the sea. the kind of turbine must be different than to places with little winds in the forest. Like you do drive with a truck in the city (not a good idea) and with a smal sized car to transport lots of stuff (bad idea also...) - but the truck is good and the small car aswell.

    If you write to me a private message I can send you the link for the company what does employ me and the make exact calculation what model is designed for exact what place.

    The normal costs for maintenance if you do careful researches in your planning are by FAR lower than any form of coal or nuclear won energy.

    If you talk about maintanance...where do you stock your nuclear output in nuclear plants? Do you have an idea how expensive and dangerous that is= How expensive and negative is it to remove a village for coal industry?

    You must compare such issues to have a serious dabate tax :)

    Do you know what that is? It is NOT the Ardennen Offensive and not the attack on France 1940.

    It is the way coal industry invades into our land.

    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/92/Garzweiler_II_Karte.jpg

    Such landscape we also must compare to maintenance in windfarming:

    http://www.zdf.de/ZDF/zdfportal/blob/30713434/2/data.jpg

    That is a nuclear powerplant. Destroyed, most land around is lost...you never can remove that, never!

    http://diesozialschule-werkstatt.caritas-graz.at/rechbandreas/htmls/tschernobyl.jpg

    How expensive is that?

    Fukushima = 2 times as expensive as the whole german reunification...

    Think about it.
     
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    Him is pointless to explain. He zombie western media. He thinks that the gas used for heating only. Eg. The phrase "chemical industry" for a it is not known.
     
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    No. That sems to be just a business. All the world can go bankrupt but his company would thrive for a couple of years... So if a dozen of milllions russians dies it is still good. What is better than a thousand Euro salary increase? :(
     
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    They have a savior: Biden junior will help them with gas.
     
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    That was a re-unification.
    If you steal a land, you have to kick out the native population, like it was the case in Palestine.

    And that is the reason why Palestinian children still throw stones at IDF-Soldiers, and Crimean children throw flowers at Russian soldiers.
     
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    As usual you guys have it all wrong. The oligarchs who run Ukraine now, have blackmailed the E.U. and Russia in the past as well. The last time Russia was forced to shut off the gas for non payment of bills, Ukraine began tapping into the E.U. pipes, so in order to ensure Ukraine wouldn't do it again, the North Stream pipeline was constructed to bypass Ukraine.

    For other states such as Hungary and Austria, construction was started on the South Stream pipeline. The gas was to bypass Ukraine by going through Bulgaria, but McCain and others decided to pay pay them the usual visit and coerce them to stop the construction. Bulgaria is now in limbo because it will affect five hundred business' and thousands of workers and it seems the government will fall. Bulgaria it seems, is the next one in line for destruction by the masters of chaos.
     
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    If it's the Kiev government, of course Russia will be found guilty. What a bunch of id**ts? :lol:
     
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    I saw it, I saw the car! It was Putin, I saw it! :nod:
     
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    They were throwing flowers in Austria when Hitler annexed it without a single shot.
     
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    Which means Austria wasn't against unity with Germany. It was different though with Bismark, because I believe many states did object...I may be wrong though so don't take my word on it.
     
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    Which means similarity between Hitin and Putler ;) lol
     
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    He has such a sweet face, I only wish I knew what's he is saying.
     
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    Hmmm! Weren't the American troops also throwing flowers when they marched into Paris? Maybe you should add Roosevelt to the list. :oldman:
     
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    Exactly...Flowers does not turn Hitin into a liberator of Austria...or Putler into a liberator of Crimea.
     
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    The subtitles are in English.
     
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    ...
    IGCP Presents Book “Massive Human Rights Violations During the Civil Conflict in Ukraine”
    http://igcp.mybb.by/viewtopic.php?id=2#p2

    to read html (in Russian)
    http://a-dyukov.livejournal.com/tag/Группа%20ИПЛ

    download book link pdf (in Russian)
    http://igcp.eu/monitoringi-tematicheskie/kniga-igcp-massovye-narusheniya-prav-cheloveka-v-hode-grazhdanskogo?language=ru
     
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    Sorry but nothing coming from the murderer oh hundreds of thousands of innocent Chechens, the supressors of free speech and press in Russia, the aggressors of Georgia, thieves of Japanese islands, thieves of Crimea, instigators of civil war in Ukraine...nothing from Putler side is worth even paying attention to.
     

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